Rabble down? Jack Layton agreeing with Stephen Harper too much?
Go away, Dipper!
Posted on 04/12/2006 11:03:38 AM PDT by bj1998
Is Your Entire Country On Crack?
Speaking as a Canadian who is fond of judicious language, I feel that this situation deserves careful and measured thought. So let me just open with:
Is your entire f*cking country on crack??? Are all you Americans out of your cotton picking minds??? Are you completely freaking delusional? Homicidal? Psychotic? Have you lost any shred of a moral compass? WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS H. CHRIST ON A CRUTCH IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!
Let me offer up one small datum which may completely change the equation for you: According to the CIA (If they have any credibility left.) Iran is at least five years away from a nuclear weapon.
Five years.
Five years is time for diplomacy to accomplish a hell of a lot.
I would also point out that the Atomic Energy Commission, various other international bodies and other inspections have essentially found no sign that Iran is even working on a nuclear weapon.
The only actual evidence that Iran has anything close to nuclear weapons technology is blueprints *that the CIA gave to them!*
Have you all forgotten that the evidence on Iraq was spectacularly wrong? Have you all ignored the fact that it was fabricated? Why then are we going down the exact same road of stage managed, fabricated pseudo-evidence and wild-ass hysteria?
What is wrong with you people?
This entire crisis has been manufactured, and has been years in the making.
Stop and think back five years. What did we have five years ago? A moderate reformist Iranian government making overtures to the United States, rebuilding its relationship with Europe, liberalizing its society, and modernizing its economy.
9/11 comes along, the Iranians are overflowing with sympathy. Mass candlelit vigils are held in Tehran. Iran offers aid and cooperation.
Iran hates the Taliban who have executed Iranian diplomats and massacred Afghan Shiites. Iran hates Saddam Hussein. Iran hates Al Qaeda which is a Sunni Fundamentalist organization which declares Shiites infidels and subhuman.
Iran shares its intelligence with America - they even arrested Taliban members and handed them over to US custody.
So we've got the Iranian spring; things are finally going to sort out.
And what happens? The Bush administration rebuffs every Iranian overture and does its best to instigate a cold war. Afghanistan is invaded, and suddenly, the Iranians are looking at American troops and allies on their eastern border. Then Iraq is invaded, and American troops and allies on their western border. Then bases and treaties in Uzbekistan, and whoops, there's more American troops and allies on the northern border. The Persian Gulf is filled with American warships and carrier fleets.
Now the Iranians are surrounded. And the tough talk is constant. Iran is part of the 'Axis of Evil' and Americans tell each other "Baghdad, humph, real men go to Tehran." Essentially, America has been threatening military action against Iran for the last five years, and has surrounded the country on every side with troops, bases and allies.
American aircraft invade Iranian airspace regularly, American special forces undertake operations inside Iran and Americans regularly accuse Iranians of interference in Iraq.
Dick Cheney pontificates about Israel bombing Iran *after he has just handed over to Israel the long range bombers and bunker busting bombs* required to do the job.
Meanwhile, the United States undertakes economic warfare against Iran, interfering with its business dealings with third party countries, trying to scuttle a pipeline deal with India, and it goes on and on. The hysteria about the Iranians nuclear program is just more of the same.
Now how in God's Bloody Name do you think the Iranians are going to respond to that. Should they concede the nuclear program, abandon their pipeline project? If so, its not going to do them any good. America will just seek more concessions. Each surrender will be met by new demands. This isn't hard to figure out. It's exactly what Bush did with Iraq.
Perhaps overtures, good will gestures, trying to act like a peaceful nation. Did all those things, doesn't matter. The Bush administration is still on a collision course.
So, the Mullahs are concerned that they're faced with a homicidal crazy state, the Iranian people are scared. When people are scared and faced with an aggressive warmongering power which keeps threatening to attack them, continually trespasses on its borders and is undertaking economic warfare... who the hell are they going to elect? Ahminajad may be a crazy bastard, but you assholes, you utter assholes did every thing you could to elect him short of donating 50,000 Diebold machines and mailing his party the trapdoor codes.
So, having pursued a psychotically aggressive course, you've backed Iran into a corner, and engineered a regime which refuses to back further.
And *you* are the victims in all this? *You* are the ones under threat? It's *self defense*????
And of course, you goofily believe that you can just bomb or nuke Iran with impunity?
Holy Microeconomic Theory Batman! Iran's nuclear facilities are distributed across the country and in hardened sites near population centers. So any strike that cripples a significant portion of Iran's nuclear capacity will inevitably be so large and kill so many people that its going to be tantamount to inviting full scale war.
Think about that. Iran is 70 million people, an area five times the size of Iraq, not disemboweled by 12 years of sanctions and air raids. On the other side of the coin, America's ground army is busted and tied down in Iraq. There's no troops to throw at a major Iranian military force, so you have to hope that bombing will do the trick. The occupation forces in Iraq are in occupation and not territorial defense mode. And Iraq is 65% Shiites who are probably not going to be happy that you're blowing up their brother Shiites. Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz is so narrow that sinking one supertanker will block it indefinitely, and Iran borders the straight on three sides. Block Hormuz and any naval groups inside the Persian Gulf are trapped there. Any naval groups outside the Persian Gulf are trapped outside. Forget about any oil coming out of the Persian Gulf from Iraq, Kuwait, Quatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia or the UAE. Think about what
In short its so appallingly stupid and colossally risky, that I can see why your idiots in charge might consider using nuclear weapons. But throw a few nukes around and see how the rest of the world reacts? Every dirt-wad country is going to be mortgaging the Presidential palace to get its own nuclear deterrent from Pakistan or North Korea. How do you feel about the Indonesian Bomb, the Malaysian Bomb, the Thai Bomb, the Myanmar Bomb, the Algerian Bomb, the Saudi Bomb, the Egyptian Bomb, the Brazilian Bomb, the Argentine Bomb, the Venezuelan Bomb, the Cuban Bomb, the Japanese Bomb, the Canadian frigging Bomb. You are no longer trustworthy. North Korea, always borderline psychotic is going to be mondo difficult to deal with. You've just guaranteed yourself a full fledged nuclear arms race, balls to the wall with both Russia and China, and quite possibly Europe.
And of course there's no guarantee that the rest of the world will allow this. Do you want an armed standoff with the Russians. Suppose they 'loan' their finest interceptor jets, pilots and radar systems to the Iranians... Do you want to meet *that* on a bombing raid? And if you do meet *that* what are you going to do when half your planes are blasted out of the skies conducting an illegal raid on civilian populations in a foreign country? Cry? Send a harsh note?
Launch a first strike?
What happens if the Chinese decide to hold Taiwan and South Korea hostage? What do you do? Back off Iran or sell out East Asia?
Hell, in that kind of standoff, someone sneezes and its not going to matter who launched a first strike.
Or would you like an economic standoff, say with Europe, or with Japan and China. Suppose that the Europeans or Chinese decide "screw the worldwide depression, you assholes are just too dangerous to have around." Trillions of dollars get dumped on the market, loans get called in, the bottom drops out of your dollar, its thousand per cent inflation and no manufacturing base and your own trade embargoes. So much for America.
I mean, its morally wrong, its stupid on every level. And yet here you are discussing why maybe you should get out in front of the Republicans on this, or planning your surrender to Bush. Why are you even discussing this?
What is wrong with America?
They thought Hitler wouldn't take action against the Jews despite his writings. Never again.
Guess what. I agree with much of what you say. But guess what. We are going to let the EU and maybe Israel bomb them. And they will. If Ahmed-in-a-Jihaad continues on his hitleresque merry way. Saddam had a personal problem with the U.S. and needed to be stopped. And he was. Anyone in range of this neopersian megalomaniac will eventually have to squash him. Maybe russia will even fly cover. Just wait and see.
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Someone's got to keep the wolves out of the camp. Since you won't, we will.
ROTFL!! That is just INSPIRED!!
Too bad about the blind idiots who can't see that the simple act of Iran possessing the highly radioactive material is a sufficient threat.
Have you ever heard of a "Dirty Bomb"?
Do you really believe what has been labeled the "public CIA assessment"?
You're promoting "negotiating" with someone who believes that his culture can achieve heaven on earth by causing this global conflict.
How do you reason with someone who welcomes death?
So, turn all of your inflamatory rhetoric back on yourself, where it belongs.
Rabble down? Jack Layton agreeing with Stephen Harper too much?
Go away, Dipper!
2. Diplomacy will accomplish in five years what it has accomplished so far: nothing. Ahmadinejad is a blithering idiot.
3. You're OK with nukes in the hands of a guy who says he'll wipe Israel out because you're a blithering idiot.
"Have you all ignored the fact that it was fabricated?"
Speaking of "ignoring" facts, Frontline, the BBC and the London Telegraph in the past, for starters, had articles documenting Saddams WMD's and ties to terrorism.
This evidence has been around for sometime now. This is what is really being ignored.
"If you possess information that conflicts with the prevailing orthodoxy you are expected to either distort it or keep quiet about it." - George Orwell, on leftist politics - "The Prevention of Literature"
So your advice is to wait for another 9/11 so we can get some sympathy again. No thanks. You need to think back a little farther than 5 years and you might not be so gullible by Iranian made-for-TV candlelight vigils. Back in those days while you were in Montessori school, we had a president who believed like you do. His name was Jimmy Carter and the Iranians mocked him and spit on his picture while they held our people captive and threatened to torture and kill them. Now these same people are close to obtaining nuclear weapons and missiles. No problem, you say. We have 5 years to talk them out of it. And they will listen to us why?
Your nasty aggressive confrontational post tells me that you sure don't practice the restraint you are preaching and think that diplomacy is for OTHER people.
Very very rational, assuming you get your news from CNNSI.
However it is stil a load of crap.
In before the Zot. Also my first!
Thanks for the ping D.
:-)
Um...you don't get it, do you?
Canadian Military, No Oxymoron
By Austin Bay : BIO| 26 Jan 2006
Take two apparently contradictory terms, and link them in a single phrase. The result is an oxymoron, a figure of speech yoking a perceived contradiction in terms. "Military intelligence" almost always rates a chuckle, as does "jumbo shrimp." A skilled poet can use an oxymoron to stir emotions beyond laughter. Shakespeare riddled the tragedy of "Romeo and Juliet" with incongruous verbal jolts like "cold fire" and "happy daggers."
The term "Canadian military" should never be an oxymoron, but after a decade of reduction and decline, what was once one of the world's most able and elite combat organizations is now a hollow force.
The slide in defense funding that began in the mid-1990s is one cause. The current Canadian defense budget buys about 25 percent less bang and less peacekeeping than it did 10 years ago.
With the end of the Cold War, some reduction in force structure was understandable.
The defense cuts, however, weren't simply based on a strategic assessment of finances and the disappearance of the Soviet Union. Post-Cold War, North American geography played a role. Here's that presumption: The United States would always be there to defend Canada, so why bother maintaining military forces?
That wasn't always Canada's defense philosophy. At one time, when it came to defending liberty and democracy, Canada punched way above its weight class, and the Free World was thankful.
Prior to Pearl Harbor, while the United States hid behind the false wall of "neutrality," Canada confronted with armed force the cultural and political threat of fascist tyrants. At the end of World War II, Canada had the world's third-largest navy. In 2006, despite having the globe's second-largest nation in terms of landmass, Canada deploys only three dozen or so warships and naval support vessels. Over a million Canadians served during World War II, out of a population of 12 million. Today, the expeditionary military that Nazi Germany feared must juggle troops and equipment to sustain two battalion-sized task forces in an overseas deployment.
The Nazis did indeed fear and respect Canada. From Sicily to Normandy and on into Germany, veteran Canadian divisions often formed the "hard core" of an allied thrust. That wasn't a conspiracy by London to "let the colonials be cannon fodder" -- it was a recognition of Canadian military capabilities and fighting spirit.
-snip-
The lack of military punch weakens Canada as a global political player, because Canada cannot act with a full spectrum of foreign policy options.
In many ways, the Canadian rhetorical and political game of "We Aren't America" is a reasonable, if semi-hypocritical posture. The game has actually benefited the great cause of freedom. In Cold War situations where American troops or observers might have escalated tensions, Canadians could provide security, stability and democratic presence. Canada could be the United States without Washington's alleged baggage. Those of us who understood the stakes were thankful.
However, as the Canadian military declined, the Canadian "We Aren't America" game -- particularly under Paul Martin's Liberals -- degenerated into rank, adolescent anti-Americanism. Is there a connection between increasingly strident, appeasement-laden rhetoric and the loss of military capability? I think the answer is "yes."
-snip-
Austin Bay is a syndicated columnist and contributor to TCS Daily.
The first step/sign to a building a nuclear weapon is uranium enrichment. Iran has completed that. The next step/sign to building a nuclear weapon is enrichment on a larger scale with more centrifuges. Iran has announced that they will be expanding their number of centrifuges.
So don't tell me that there is NO sign that they are working on nuclear weapons. They are in phase II right now.
Add to that the recent statements coming out of Iran to the West:
“You must bow down to the greatness of the Iranian nation”, he said, addressing the West. “If you do not return to monotheism and worshipping god and refuse to accept justice then you will burn in the fire of the nations’ fury”, Ahmadinejad said. http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6733
Got any questions?
I suggest you take a break from posting and just read for a few weeks. Click that search link for Iran and just read the last few months of articles and posts. Nothing worse than an uninformed Canadian (or Iranian?).
LOL, thanks for the laughs!
I think I'm actually IB4Z too, oo, today is a good day. :)
I don't know about cheese, but I bet he likes his moose!
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