Why I Support President Bush and the ZOT!

2,461 posted on 04/14/2006 3:15:58 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Annoy a liberal: Work hard, spend money and fly the flag.)

To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Claremorris sure is quiet tonight - pubs here are closed on Good Friday, We will probably see a street brawl or something tomorrow night!! :)

2,462 posted on 04/14/2006 3:18:02 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)

2,463 posted on 04/14/2006 3:19:45 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)

2,464 posted on 04/14/2006 3:20:30 PM PDT by fanfan (FR is the best/biggest news gathering entity in the whole known history of the world. Thanks Jim.)

To: Irish_Thatcherite

I will keep an eye out for it. :)

2,465 posted on 04/14/2006 3:25:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ditch the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I want my own space bar and grill)

So, how do we KNOW we have all there is in the way of Scriptures? Especially in view of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hamadi texts? And the fact that archeologists are always finding ancient pieces of documents that seem to be "scripture?"

One critical word, there is "seem".

AND. We are reading translations of God's Words and since mankind is imperfect, it is reasonable to believe that lots of errors have crept into the various translations. We have even changed it by making it more "readable" so even though the Bible itself has not "passed away," perhaps it is logical to consider that some of the meanings in some of the texts have.

It would be logical to think that...except that it has zero impact upon God's ability to preserve the message IN SPITE of the potential for error. Given the power of God to preserve His message, and His intent that YOU have access to it, a band of chimpanzees could have done the transcription and translation and He'd have miraculously ensured that they STILL got it 100% right.

[Hmmmm. It occurs to me that, given the theological predilictions and possible agendas of some of the translators throughout history, God might have had an easier time working with the chimpanzees. LOL!]

In any event, this all goes back to the core question from earlier:

Is God cabable of, and has He succeded in, getting His whole message to you or not?

Now, you may have a different answer than I, but my answer is that, from what I know of the message I have, He IS capable, and He does intend that we have relationship, and therefore I conclude that He has, indeed, exercised His capabilities to bring the entirety of His message to me; preserving it intact through centuries of transcription, translation, persecution and human tribulation until this very age. It's a settled issue because His dominion, as God, extends to the complete preservation and transmission -- whole -- of everything He needs me to know about Him. Furthermore, we can be entirely confident that no amount of archaeological delving is going to unearth anything credible that will contravene that message; nothing will extend the canon, nor will anything invalidate the canon.

Let me also be very clear about what I am, and am not, saying:
I am not saying that the canon, itself, is a mystic force to be venerated or capable of its own self-preservation. I am saying that God has directed the compilation of His entire message as it is now embodied in the canon of scripture and, therefore, the canon represents His preserved and intended message to us. It is faithful and true because it is the personally preserved message of Him Who is Faithful and True.

If God is "passive and uninvolved," how would you explain "miracles" and the fact that prayers are answered?

Woah, don't misunderstand me. I didn't take that position, I simply expressed that some have embraced it. God is, in fact, personally and passionately involved, which is crucial to the question of His preservation of His message.

2,466 posted on 04/14/2006 3:27:37 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)

To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I was looking for live webcams in towns nearer to me, no luck yet!

2,467 posted on 04/14/2006 3:31:11 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)

Have to go, goodnight everyone!! :)

2,468 posted on 04/14/2006 3:32:48 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)

To: Irish_Thatcherite

2,469 posted on 04/14/2006 3:39:24 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I don't want a World with empty dreams ... Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty Now! ... Farm Mars!)

I ask questions because I don't understand something, and not just to ask questions. So if I'm asking you questions, it's because I want answers so that I can better understand your philosophy.

See how that works? And thanks for the answers!

2,470 posted on 04/14/2006 5:02:48 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Annoy a liberal: Work hard, spend money and fly the flag.)

To: Irish_Thatcherite

2,471 posted on 04/14/2006 5:18:54 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))

Madam, I must ask you not to speak when noone else is talking.

2,472 posted on 04/14/2006 5:19:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))

To: stephenjohnbanker

" Our Lady of Accumulating Moola?"

A bit crass...

Our Lady (her name is Helen and she makes the coffee around here) isn't pleased.

2,473 posted on 04/14/2006 5:39:14 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("Everybody wants to act like his ancestors were brought here on slave ships. " -Ann Coulter)

To: stephenjohnbanker

But somewhere in the world someone is talking

2,474 posted on 04/14/2006 5:40:52 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ditch the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I want my own space bar and grill)

To: Das Outsider; Darksheare

I thought that we let Darks make the coffee

2,475 posted on 04/14/2006 5:41:59 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ditch the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I want my own space bar and grill)

LOL! You're welcome for the answers.

I think your 2,395 either didn't come across to me the way you meant for it to. I was trying to figure out why you asked questions there that I addressed in 2,391.

Thanks for asking such engaging questions; I like it when I have to really pause and think about my answers. I not only express to you what I think, and why, but I get the chance to reiterate it to myself, which helps me continue to refine my own thoughts on the subject at hand.

Gotta run. Have a Happy Easter.

It's Friday; but Sunday's a comin'!!

2,476 posted on 04/14/2006 5:44:59 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)

To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Darksheare; stephenjohnbanker

I thought that we let Darks make the coffee

Oh, no. I meant "here" in the sense of within the Outsider Foundation--though for tax purposes I'll have to ask you to refer to it as the homeless shelter for refugee children from Canada.

2,477 posted on 04/14/2006 5:45:02 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("Everybody wants to act like his ancestors were brought here on slave ships. " -Ann Coulter)

You didn't get involved in stuff while I was gone, did you?

2,478 posted on 04/14/2006 5:46:36 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("Everybody wants to act like his ancestors were brought here on slave ships. " -Ann Coulter)

To: Das Outsider

Fleeing the snowballs are they?

2,479 posted on 04/14/2006 5:48:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ditch the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I want my own space bar and grill)

Is it me or does the Mars face look like one of the Easter Island statues?

Whoa, cree-ee-eepy! ;)

2,480 posted on 04/14/2006 5:50:14 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("Everybody wants to act like his ancestors were brought here on slave ships. " -Ann Coulter)

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