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AMERICA - The Right Way!! (Day 1700) [Remember the Trade Center!!]
Various News Sources and FReepers | September 16, 2005 | All of Us

Posted on 09/16/2005 4:55:51 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society

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To: Cboldt
You recent post is the first that I have seen mention a Florida Av break.

Florida Av = Industrial Canal, sorry.

81 posted on 09/16/2005 8:03:47 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Cboldt

The key letter is the one from Louisiana dated August 27. Not the "CYA" letter of August 28.


82 posted on 09/16/2005 8:05:52 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
The FEMA declaration is dated August 27, and references a Louisiana dispatch (see second paragraph). The Louisiana letter is dated August 28.

There are two links in the post that you made this reply in reference to. One of them is to the governor's letter of Aug 27, the other is to the governor's letter of Aug 28.

83 posted on 09/16/2005 8:06:42 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

And I'm not actually convinced it really was written on 8/28, but I can't prove that it wasn't. So far...


84 posted on 09/16/2005 8:07:40 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Cboldt
One of them is to the governor's letter of Aug 27,

That is not the Aug 27 letter I am referring to. The one I am after listed a bunch of parishes (counties), excluding Jefferson, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, that would be struck by KATRINA. It was from that letter that FEMA issued a declaration, also excluding those parishes. A couple of days ago I was able to get to that letter, I cannot now. That's what I find interesting.

85 posted on 09/16/2005 8:10:44 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
So, I will concede that it didn't request Federal assistance, per se, but what it did do is nonetheless quite important in the scheme of things--it allowed the Federal assistance to be effective. Until then, not much could go on because control was still retained in the, by then, vastly overwhelmed local authorities. This declaration changed the equation, but it didn't show up until storm-day plus three.

You mistake the general effect of this order.

There are regulations for actors to be admitted to be under Blanco's control as LEO's. This order relaxes parts of those regulations, and therefore made it easier to obtain LEO under "her" control. It most likely smooths the way for actors who are LEO in extra-LA jurisdictions.

At any rate, the order has ZERO relationship to federal action.

A separate writing, which we have not seen, empowers NG activity (which, FWIW, is not federal action in the context of disaster relief).

And yet again another separate writing, which we have not seen, empowers active-duty military to perform evacuation activity.

86 posted on 09/16/2005 8:12:57 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society

My most humble thanks for your most excellent work. I am printing this off for our daughter (high school senior) who has been having a very tough time with some of her teachers about this. They, of course, are adamant that Bush is to blame for everything.


87 posted on 09/16/2005 8:13:05 AM PDT by MJemison
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To: lysie

I just got back from the gym. I lifted 3.5 tons today and swam 1000 yards in 34 minutes. Catchin' up.

That picture reminds me of a stunt JT and two of his buddies pulled during his senior hs year. He got my motorcycle and his buddy got his. Their third buddy climbed on the back and as the two motorcycles started down a cement road (very slowly, Mom!) the third stood up and rode roman style.

An elementary teacher, a young lady who has not yet learned to cope with boys saw them and just had a fit. The parents of the lads were not immediately available so she informed one of the admin, the only sensible one, I'm thinking. He read them the riot act, threatened them and then considered the case close.

The elem teach only mentioned it in passing a few days later. She thought I knew and wondered what I did to him. HA!!!! I NEVER HAD A CHANCE.


88 posted on 09/16/2005 8:14:27 AM PDT by Jemian ( The oath is to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States)
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To: Cboldt
At any rate, the order has ZERO relationship to federal action.

I respectfully disagree, for the reasons I stated earlier.

89 posted on 09/16/2005 8:15:14 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Two Thirds Vote Aye

He has a few days to copywrite, but basically all that needs to be is (c)2005. All rights reserved.


90 posted on 09/16/2005 8:17:00 AM PDT by Jemian ( The oath is to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States)
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To: MJemison

Do note, however, there are apparently some issues with the effect of LA Executive Order KBB-2005-23, and the location of the barge damage, which is likely Industrial Canal, not 17th Street (near the lake).


91 posted on 09/16/2005 8:19:44 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Jemian

And such would, to improve accuracy, take account of notes made today.


92 posted on 09/16/2005 8:20:59 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Jemian

Oh, BTW - "All Rights Reserved" is not a requirement under United States law. It does provide some additional protection under treaties. [Found this out at the Library of Congress website.]


93 posted on 09/16/2005 8:22:14 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society

Right. So you're safe. But I'm going to listen to Limbaugh to see if you're attributed. You've done a great job. I'm going to print it out and send it to the local news outlets. My expectations, howeve, are low.


94 posted on 09/16/2005 8:22:50 AM PDT by Jemian ( The oath is to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
The FEMA declaration is dated August 27, and references a Louisiana dispatch (see second paragraph). The Louisiana letter is dated August 28.

Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance.

FEMA News Release of August 27

Now, I see a fairly specific Louisiana state request for federal assistance dated August 27. That letter requests 9 million in aid, and even uses the phrase "request for federal assistance."

Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.

Preliminary estimates of the types and amount of emergency assistance needed under the Stafford Act, and emergency assistance from certain Federal agencies under other statutory authorities are tabulated in Enclosure A.

Blanco letter of Aug 27

Is it your contention that Blanco's letter of August 27 is not the same thing described by FEMA as "the state's request for federal assistance."?

Even if that's true, so what? On the 27th she asked for relief commensurate with a near hit, and on the 28th she upgraded her request to 130 million dollars to reflect costs associated with landfall in LA.

95 posted on 09/16/2005 8:23:51 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Jemian

Angela M. Brown is doing a great job at the National Day of Prayer Service. "How Great Thou Art." The last note was so high it was next to heaven.


96 posted on 09/16/2005 8:24:32 AM PDT by Jemian ( The oath is to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
I respectfully disagree, for the reasons I stated earlier.

No sweat. I explained my reasoning as well. Ta ta.

97 posted on 09/16/2005 8:25:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society

Thanks for posting this timeline.


98 posted on 09/16/2005 8:31:00 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dem's can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: Cboldt
As I said, there was a letter dated August 27 to FEMA Region 6 I cannot seem to put my hands on now, so I'll respect your position as I cannot lay onto the record the information I had come across previously.

That said, The basics are still there: 1. Storm on its way to the eastern Bayou region of Louisiana.

2. Governor's office runs timeline into and beyond requirements set out in New Orleans documentation for full evacuations (48 hours needed, Baton Rouge acts at storm-24 hours).

3. New Orleans keeps remaining residents, essentially, locked in the city (though there probably wasn't much to go to across the Mississippi--it was evacuated too, though it was dry. or at least drier--portions of Algiers flooded near the boundary with St. Bernard parish) after the event. [BTW - Not reported--Jefferson parish did, essentially, the same thing by keeping the Causeway closed (there was no reported damage to that structure), though that would have been a 27-mile hike across the bridge.]

4. The governor's office prevented supplies from getting into New Orleans.

5. Even after released, and I haven't seen any press acknowledgement of this (I only know because I used to live down there), it takes a long time for supplies to wend there way from central Louisiana to the eastern bayou region over the only two roads available for this action.

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Though it may not seem like it, I do appreciate your input to make sure the record is accurate.

99 posted on 09/16/2005 8:33:28 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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To: Cboldt
Ta ta.

Again, thanks for the input and discussion.

100 posted on 09/16/2005 8:34:20 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society (It's not your property; you are merely a tenant of the state [SCOTUS - 2005].)
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