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Various News Sources and FReepers | September 16, 2005 | All of Us

[Not gonna take it anymore]

Chair, if you have the actual web address for LA state website this website may help you get the info from Aug. 26.

http://www.waybackmachine.org/

[danneskjold]

bump...

[chaosagent]

Great Work!

[Cboldt]

2:00 PM CT: New Orleans officials admit a breach in the 17th Street Levee. This resulted from the barge that broke loose slamming into the concrete overtop wall of the 17th Street Canal--this concrete barrier is several feet thick. The wall breaks, and the inundation of New Orleans commences. [The barge, incidentally, has been found at the bottom of the breach.]

Do you have a cite that points to a barge being associated with the 17th Street levee? All of the barge reports and photos that I am aware of associate a barge with the Industrial Canal.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482715/posts?page=20#20
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482715/posts?page=24#24
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.mcmahon4/nola/
http://www.nola.com/hurricane/t-p/katrina.ssf?/hurricane/katrina/stories/083005catastrophic.html
http://www.nola.com/hurricane/katrina/pdf/083005_a01a02.pdf

August 30, 2005 - The Louisiana governor still doesn't request Federal assistance.

This statment is false as stated, but could be true if made more specific.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976 <- Aug 27 req. for some Fed assistance
http://www.yuricareport.com/Disaster/BlancoToPresident_letter8_28_05.html <- Aug 28 request

September 1, 2005 - Gov. Blanco finally signs Executive Order KBB-2005-23. This Order requests Federal assistance.

Hoo boy. I suggest you read the order, and KBB 2005-29 that folowed it (same thing, more or less). The orders don't perform the function you claim.

KBB 2005-23 dated Aug 31, 2005

Partial list of primary sources consulted for this article:
Blanco Refused To Act... Governor's Indecision Cost Precious Time

That article is not a good reference. See rebuttals (with cites) at posts 88, 91, 102, and 103.

[Cboldt]

This piece will help you put the puzzle together.

http://gov.louisiana.gov/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=973

Date: 8/26/2005
Contact:Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037
GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

BATON ROUGE, LA--Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco today issued Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005, declaring a state of emergency for the state Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner.

The full text of Proclamation No. 48 KBB 2005 is as follows: ...

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

I'll check tonight. My office's security software won't let the request go through the site as it thinks it's an "anonymizer". Oh well.

http://gov.louisiana.gov/ is the url, I believe.

[Cboldt]

Oops, I mistook the contnetion you were making. Here are the appropraite pieces.

August 27, 2005

...

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

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August 28, 2005

...

Parishes expected to receive major damage based on the anticipated track of Hurricane Katrina are: Ascension, Assumption, Jefferson, Lafourche, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. James, St. John, St. Tammany, Terrebonne, and Washington.

In addition we are expecting that the following parishes to suffer significant damage as tropical storm force wind and heavy rainfall occur in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina's landfall: Acadia, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Livingston, Pointe Coupee, St. Helena, St. Mary, St. Martin, Vermillion, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana.

Parishes that are affected by the evacuation of persons from the southeastern parishes of the state as we implement the Louisiana Shelter Operations Plan are: Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Catahoula, Claiborne, Concordia, Desoto, East Carroll, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, and Winn.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Disaster/BlancoToPresident_letter8_28_05.html

[Two Thirds Vote Aye]

Chair, shouldn't you be copyrighting this excellent work?

[ELS]

bttt

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

Do you have a cite that points to a barge being associated with the 17th Street levee?

Why New Orleans Flooded

See third subhead. It's possible the Newsmax source also has it wrong, and it should be associated with the Florida Av break. If that is indeed the case, then all right, we'll add that to the info pile.

Regarding Executive Order, it does appear there is a disagreement there, and I appreciate your providing the link. I'll go back and look some more at where I got that and get back to you.

Regarding Federal assistance--I am noting changes occurring to stuff coming out of Louisiana. FEMA, for example, has a 27th August declaration, which must be made pursuant to a request from a state--in this case, Louisiana. The Louisiana request is dated August 28, at least the one on their website, which is interesting. A previous post here notes that it seems LA made an error in itemizing which parishes to include and "cleaned it up" after the FEMA declaration "missed" parishes. But, having lived in Louisiana, and knowing that a full third of the people in that state live in the four "missed" parishes, I am hard pressed to believe the folks in Baton Rouge, an 80-minute drive up the Interstate when it's open, were that stupid to miss that area. So, let's just say I am regarding anything eminating from the Louisiana's governor's office with extreme skepticism right now.

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

Chair, shouldn't you be copyrighting this excellent work?

Technically, it already is.

But there's still some research to be done, and as we are seeing, some additional input is already heading on in, which is appreciated. Based on what I have read thusfar, and even taking into account the additional stuff today, the culpability of the Louisiana governor's office looms very large.

[Cboldt]

Rough timeline ...

Aug 27, Blanco sends letter to President, via FEMA, requesting 9 million dollars in funds to handle a non-direct landfall. The money is slated to cover evacuation and operation of public shelters

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Aug 27, FEMA press release Release Date: August 27, 2005 Release Number: HQ-05-169. This is the one that you finger as evidence of Blanco failure to request relief for e.g., Orleans Parish.

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18447

Aug 28, Blanco sends letter to President, via FEMA, requesting 130 million dollars in funds to handle a direct landfall. This request increases the amounts slated for evacuation and sheltering, and adds a line item for debris removal. It slates ZERO for coordination, Technical & advisory assistance, and Distribution of emergency supplies.

Her request recites the following:

Parishes expected to receive major damage based on the anticipated track of Hurricane Katrina are: Ascension, Assumption, Jefferson, Lafourche, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. James, St. John, St. Tammany, Terrebonne, and Washington.

In addition we are expecting that the following parishes to suffer significant damage as tropical storm force wind and heavy rainfall occur in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina's landfall: Acadia, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Livingston, Pointe Coupee, St. Helena, St. Mary, St. Martin, Vermillion, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana.

Parishes that are affected by the evacuation of persons from the southeastern parishes of the state as we implement the Louisiana Shelter Operations Plan are: Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Catahoula, Claiborne, Concordia, Desoto, East Carroll, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, and Winn.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Disaster/BlancoToPresident_letter8_28_05.html

An August 29 FEMA press release recites the following:

Release Date: August 29, 2005
Release Number: HQ-05-179

Affected individuals and business owners in the parishes of Acadia, Ascension, Assumption, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Lafourche, Livingston, Orleans, Plaquemines, Pointe Coupee, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. Helena, St. James, St. John, St. Mary, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Terrebonne, Vermilion, Washington, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana are eligible for aid.

The assistance will be coordinated by FEMA and can include grants to help pay for temporary housing, home repairs and other serious disaster-related expenses. Low-interest loans from the U.S. Small Business Administration also will be available to cover residential and business losses not fully compensated by insurance.

Federal funding is available to State and eligible local government in the parishes of Acadia, Ascension, Assumption, Calcasieu, Cameron, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Lafourche, Livingston, Orleans, Plaquemines, Pointe Coupee, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. Helena, St. James, St. John, St. Mary, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Terrebonne, Vermilion, Washington, West Baton Rouge, and West Feliciana for debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance.

Federal funding also is available to State and eligible local governments in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Catahoula, Claiborne, Concordia, Desoto, East Carroll, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, and Winn for emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance.

For a period of up to 72 hours, federal funding is available at 100 percent of the total eligible costs for emergency protective measures, including direct federal assistance. The 72-hour period funding at 100 percent excludes debris removal.

Funding, on a cost-sharing basis, is available for hazard mitigation measures in St. Mary, St. Tammany and Ouachita parishes. Damage surveys are continuing and more counties and additional forms of assistance may be designated after the assessments are completed.

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18478

I fail to see the significance of an August 31 date in any of the above exchange, and wonder how the evidence supports your "coverup" theory.

[Not gonna take it anymore]

I went to wayback with the url you posted and there are no pages archived for 2005. Whether there will be later, I don't know. All of 2004 is there though.

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

Yes, I've seen that, and it has my Barbara Streisand radar all the way to maximum.

The FEMA declaration is dated August 27, and references a Louisiana dispatch (see second paragraph). The Louisiana letter is dated August 28.

Hmmm...

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

I fail to see the significance of an August 31 date in any of the above exchange, and wonder how the evidence supports your "coverup" theory.

Except as noted earlier, I stand by my claim since Louisiana data and Federal responses, which are constrained by law, are not syncing.

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

GOVERNOR BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY

State of emergency, not disaster.

And this was followed up, on the same day, by a Federal declaration of a state of emregency for Louisiana. [See timeline.]

[Cboldt]

Another huge wave came across Lake Pontchartrain in the north. It sent a steel barge ramming through the Industrial Canal, a major shipping artery that cuts north to south through the city, possibly creating a breach that grew to 500 feet, letting water pour into nearby neighborhoods of the city's Ninth Ward.

The barge's remains were found lying on the bottom of the gap. An early eyewitness reported seeing the barge smash through the levee. His report was never followed up by the media.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/12/210912.shtml

That article doesn't contain the string "17" so is not a good cite for the proposition that a barge was involved in the 17th Street canal.

You recent post is the first that I have seen mention a Florida Av break. My impression is that a total of 5 breaches occurred, and those were confined to the London Street Canal, Industrial Canal, and 17th Street Canal.

[mountainfolk]

Thank you for laying out the time line for Katrina and her aftermath. Charles Kraut hammer, who has been critical of Pres Bush for, in CK's opinion, being slow to respond to Katrina, said last nite that the Governors and mayors of cities don't expect to have to handle such emergencies as Katrina. They expect the federal government to take over. I doubt that there is any other state Governor who would agree with him. The point is, as you have outlined the duties of the Governor and Mayor of NO to be, La did know and expect to have to deal with worst case scenarios of whatever nature. I hope the investigations in Louisiana are able to expose the rot that has bankrupted NO and paralyzed the whole state during a time of horrific crisis.

[Chairman_December_19th_Society]

September 1, 2005 - Gov. Blanco finally signs Executive Order KBB-2005-23.

Pieced this together. Has to do with the ability of non-state police to conduct police operations, including arrest, and a requirement to bond them.

Without that, Federal entities and National Guard troops are powerless to do much of anything to restore order except shout "hey" as someone rolls on by doing whatever.

So, I will concede that it didn't request Federal assistance, per se, but what it did do is nonetheless quite important in the scheme of things--it allowed the Federal assistance to be effective. Until then, not much could go on because control was still retained in the, by then, vastly overwhelmed local authorities. This declaration changed the equation, but it didn't show up until storm-day plus three. (Fine point, it was signed the evening before, but really didn't become a practical instrument until Sept. 1.)

[Cboldt]

Except as noted earlier, I stand by my claim since Louisiana data and Federal responses, which are constrained by law, are not syncing.

While the theory is very clear in your head, you haven't reduced it to a form that I grok. You said, referring to Blanco's Aug 27 letter:

SPECIFICALLY MISSING FROM THIS REQUEST ARE THE FOLLOWING PARISHES: JEFFERSON, PLAQUEMINES, ST. BERNARD, AND ORLEANS.

And I cited that letter and gave a link to it, and you are correct as to the situation on Saturday, August 27th. But, those very parishes ARE named in her letter of August 28, which ws composed before the hurricane hit (before there was a disaster).

Parishes expected to receive major damage based on the anticipated track of Hurricane Katrina are: Ascension, Assumption, Jefferson, Lafourche, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. James, St. John, St. Tammany, Terrebonne, and Washington.

Blanco letter of Aug 28

I post the above not to argue that Blaco is competent in handling disaster relief, but merly to promote an accurate presentation of the factual record.