Posted on 07/17/2005 5:16:14 PM PDT by grellis
THIS THREAD IS INTENDED FOR READERS THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE BOOK! If you have not yet read the book, consider yourself warned: There will be spoilers on this thread.
For my fellow FReepers who have no intention of reading the book but would like to discuss the more controversial issues related to the work, I am asking you as politely as I can: DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD. We are all members of this forum and as such, it is not up to me to disallow anyone from participating in the discussion. That is why I am asking you--please do not hijack this thread. If you would like to discuss the more controversial aspects of the book, maybe you could start your own thread and ping us over there. If we are interested, we'll come.
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I was going to direct you over here from another thread, but I see you've found it!
One of my all time favorite movies.
By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan, you shall be avenged.
Harry supposedly stupefied the DE through the door, I thought. However, didn't Harry's DADA class work on casting a silent jinx? Perhaps Snape was silently doing that. Someone gave the thought that Lupin may have been the witness. I do think that Snape and Dumbledore had an unbreakable vow, that in order to stay close to the Dark Lord, Snape would do whatever it takes for the good of the order. I think DD knows that Voldemort would always want to face off with Harry, and therefore Harry would never be sacrificed for the Order....
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Good question!
even thought she's not an actress, just a troll!
Helen Thomas! HEE! HEE!
The plot thickens!
The cup is the Grail...
Interesting. Set his beeber to stune...
No, but...
Draco's mission was to kill Dumbledore. I don't think faking it is enough.
...there's no time limit on the vow...
We don't know the reason yet, but I think there definitely IS one. Harry went to Dumbledore's office (immediately prior to their leaving to retrieve the Horcrux) and he was so upset because he had just found out that Snape had told Voldemort about the prophecy. Dumbledore explained to Harry that he believed the reason Snape returned from the Death Eaters was because of the great remorse he felt when Voldemort's interpretation of the prophecy spurred him to murder Harry's parents.
But he's a very good Occlumens, isn't he, sir?" said Harry, whose voice was shaking with the effort of keeping it steady. "And isn't Voldemort convinced that Snape's on his side, even now? Professor ... how can you be sure Snape's on our side?"
Dumbledore did not speak for a moment; he looked as though he was trying to make up his mind about something. At last he said, "I am sure. I trust Severus Snape completely." (from page 547)
There IS a reason why Dumbledore trusts Snape completely. He considered telling Harry at that point; however, as he had commented earlier, Harry was "never a good Occlumens". I think he decided not to tell Harry why he trusted Snape because of the risk that Voldemort, a highly skilled Legilimens, would "read" Harry and discover that Snape was truly loyal to Dumbledore.
For what it's worth!
Last time I visited my parents (both in their seventies) down south, I made them watch the movie. They don't like scifi at all, but I told them they would love it. After they watched the movie, my dad said he had to run up to the store. He came back with a copy of the movie!
EVERYONE was perfectly cast in that flick.
I agree.
Don't forget we will need a new transfiguration teacher in the next book too. McGonagall will be the new headmistress. Harry will have to be back in the school at some point, maybe that will come to something. I still think there may be a Horcrux hidden in the Room of Requirement with the potions book. Maybe at some point Harry will at least go back to retrieve the book (to get to Snape, or find out more about him and something in the room will catch his eye...)
Agree. Harry thinks it's because Snape told Dumbledore Voldemort was going after the Potters and he was sorry. No way. There's more than that. Plus Dumbledore said Snape had come back to the good side "at great risk to himself" some time before Voldemort vanished (in the Pensieve scene in GoF).
Snape may be nasty and not a friend, and he did kill D., but only because D. told him too. Can you imagine Dumbledore actually pleading for his life? I can't. He was asking Snape for something else there on top of the tower.
I'm curious about Malfoy. It would have been interesting (though some might complain too easy) to have turned Malfoy at the end and do what DD suggested. But not that Malfoy has witnessed his favorite teacher murder the headmaster in cold blood, will that sicken him or strengthen his resolve to be more like Snape in the service of the Dark Lord?
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I love, love, LOVE that movie. I sob every single time I see it. It's got to be one of the more beautiful movies ever made. The acting is superb, and the music (can't go wrong with Bach) is gorgeous.
But wait a minute! It's about ghosts, so perhaps we, as conservatives and observant Christians/Jews shouldn't be able to watch it.
FYI...from what I gather, Anthony Minghella (who directed the execrable "English Patient") wrote the part specifically for Juliet Stephenson. Did you see her in Sense & Sensibility? She was terrific in that too.
It could be that DD simply trusted Snape because of his expressed love for Lily. Weren't the two broomsticks the ones DD and Harry took to the tower? As for the last quote, it's Churchillian. She'll kill Voldy, but probably at a price.
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