The Hobbit Hole XXIII - Let them go! Let them go!

[HairOfTheDog]

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Let them go! Let them go!

• First thread: New Zealander builds Hobbit hole
• Second thread: The New Hobbit Hole
• Third thread: The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Cross-roads! (Congratulations, we filled it up!)
• Fourth Thread: The Hobbit Hole IV - The Road Goes Ever On...
• Fifth Thread: The Hobbit Hole V - Where Many Paths and Errands Meet...
• Sixth Thread: The Hobbit Hole VI - And Whither Then? I Cannot Say...
• Seventh Thread: The Hobbit Hole VII - But not yet weary are our feet...
• Eighth Thread: The Hobbit Hole VIII - Still round the corner we may meet...
• Ninth Thread: The Hobbit Hole IX - A sudden tree or standing stone
• Tenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole X - That none have seen but we alone.
      Eleventh Thread: Wedding Edition: The Hobbit Hole XI - No One Admitted Except on Wedding Business!
• Twelfth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XII - Tree and flower and leaf and grass
• Thirteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XIII - Let them pass! Let them pass!
• Fourteenth thread: The Hobbit Hole XIV - Hill and Water Under Sky
• Fifteenth thread: The Hobbit Hole XV - Pass them by! Pass them by!
• Sixteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XVI - Still round the corner there may wait...
• Seventeenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XVII - A new road or a secret gate...
• Eighteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XVIII - Though we pass them by today...
• Nineteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XIX - Tomorrow we may come this way...
• Twentieth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XX - And take the hidden paths that run...
• Twenty-first Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXI - ...Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
• Twenty-second Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXII - ...Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe

New verse:

Upon the hearth the fire is red, Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet, Still round the corner we may meet A sudden tree or standing stone That none have seen but we alone. Tree and flower and leaf and grass, Let them pass! Let them pass! Hill and water under sky, Pass them by! Pass them by!

Still round the corner there may wait A new road or a secret gate, And though we pass them by today, Tomorrow we may come this way And take the hidden paths that run Towards the Moon or to the Sun. Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe, Let them go! Let them go! Sand and stone and pool and dell, Fare you well! Fare you well!

Home is behind, the world ahead, And there are many paths to tread Through shadows to the edge of night, Until the stars are all alight. Then world behind and home ahead, We’ll wander back to home and bed. Mist and twilight, cloud and shade, Away shall fade! Away shall fade! Fire and lamp, and meat and bread, And then to bed! And then to bed!

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[JenB]

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No clue what you're talkin' about, man, but don't feel bad, I never get these refs.

[Peanut Gallery]

Dobie Gillis!! I used to watch that show.

[Corin Stormhands]

I tell you what, now that my support group situation is coming to a conclusion, I'm glad I've got this to watch! LOL!!

Well, FWIW, this morning I'm regretting ever letting it escalate to that point.

But, I've had my say. I'll perform my duties like a good soldier. And then I'll sit back and watch him fall flat on his face. The treasurer already told me if he doesn't lose the attitude, she's walking.

[Corin Stormhands]

Well, FWIW Jen, "Dobie Gillis" was technically before my time. At least it was off the air before I started school.

Later. I'm off to Fangorn.

[Lil'freeper]

Good morning!

HAPPY FRIDAY!!!

[Corin Stormhands]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinkin' this is gonna generate some complaints...

[Lil'freeper]

Heh, how timely. We currently fighting battles with our sysadmins and that cartoon just makes me chuckle. We run numerous OSs - several flavors of unix (LINUX, IRIX, OSX (BSD), etc) and Winders. Our Sysadmins have their pet platforms and they refuse to make an effort to learn the others. "Oh, I don't *do* LINUX. You should talk to so-and-so." or "Oh, I don't know anything about Windows, you're going to have to ask the other guy."

Grrr! And invariably the "other guy" isn't around.

DISCLAIMER: This is not to gripe about sysadmins in general - and no offense is indended to the numerous and wonderful sysadmin-types who frequent the hobbit hole. I fully understand it is a difficult and thankless job: customers either hate you or don't even acknowledge you exist.

[SuziQ]

*snort*

[SuziQ]

It might have been more 'biting' if the iBook holder was carrying a chair instead of a club.

[SuziQ]

It might have been more 'biting' if the iBook holder were carrying a chair instead of a club.

[2Jedismom]

Oh my!

Well, there's another story brewing and branching off from my support group situation. It involves my church. You know my church has a hugh support group *too* and about half of them went with the new group. The rest of us either didn't join a support group or stayed with BA CHEF.

Well, last year Celeste was a leader in the church group. She's not this year, thankfully. But I just got an email and it's from the leader (a very sweet person.) She says "Last year at the end of the year, the group leaders decided to take a "team" approach to running our support group."

This is exactly how the new support group is set up. They started setting it up that way a couple years ago when it was still my support group.

I can't stand the word team now.

I'm not a team player, I guess.

See, it was the leader, the steering committee (Celeste) and the "team leaders" that decided to split of from CHEF. We have to pay $5 to belong to the church group. What happens if the leader of our church group decides to leave First Baptist and take the money with her? (I would like to say that could never happen but after what happened a few weeks ago, I can't.)

I am FOR SURE going to nail down in the next meeting whether or not the finances are under the authority of FBC BA.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Sounds like a handy dodge for lazy sysadmins, actually.

[SuziQ]

Whoops! Didn't get the 'grammar challenged' one dumped in time.

[RMDupree]

Morning!

~sip~

[Lil'freeper]

We have one that literally hides. Literally! He will actually go and hide in a closet. We found him in one once he said he was organizing it. He had been missing for *hours* and we needed him to bring up a server. *grumble*mumble*mutter*

[RosieCotton]

Man...sys admin types are often not really people persons (however you'd say it), but that's taking it just a *bit* to the extreme.

[JenB]

Sigh... I'm actually in the same enviroment. I do Windows, some of the guys do *nix. They're as clueless about Win as I am with *nix, and we do say, go ask someone else. I've picked up enough *nix to use it, but that's it, I'm at power user level.

And I just have so much on my plate, learning a new OS thoroughly isn't really worth it. But I feel bad.

[JenB]

At least my job description really is "Windows Systems Admin". And some of the others were specifically hired for their *nix skills. Plenty of our duties overlap but when I think the *nix servers need a reboot I go for help...

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

I had a boss once who liked for his employees to be cross-trained so that every critical job function had at least one backup person who could perform the function; he liked to say it was in case "one of you get run over in the parking lot." (He was a former Navy captain, really good guy.)

Anyway, my own preference in a multi-OS environment is that every sysadmin have at least some familiarty with all of the operating systems; at least enough familiarty to answer simple questions and fix simple problems, which let's admit, the vast majority of user problems are (simple fixes, I mean). More difficult or possibly dangerous things, like fiddling with servers, can be left to the experts... but simple stuff, or at least a first look to determine whether the problem needs more expert help, should be workable by whomever is available.

IMHO, of course.

[2Jedismom]

I thought this was funny! Wish I could send it to a few people...