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It's Happening Again (We've Got Another Schiavo, Starving In GA, No Brain-Damage)
Media Release | 4-6-05 | The Family of Mae Magouirk

Posted on 04/07/2005 2:59:57 AM PDT by schmelvin

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To: ExPatInFrance

Both sides are potentially as good or bad as the individuals involved. One one hand... to put it in the hands of an unemotional third party relieves your family of a big weight of responsibility... but on the other hand, it may make them feel powerless. This all assumes only good intent. I don't picture my own family ever killing me for my inheritance.

Well, here's to hoping we never have to rely on either one for our decisions.


221 posted on 04/07/2005 3:45:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Netizen

I would not have a living will that was activated if I am conscious. Living wills for me assume the inability for me to speak for myself. And no, I can't imagine rejecting any such request.


222 posted on 04/07/2005 3:47:42 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
But If there were no hope of recovery and the choice was years of him not being able to communicate or move,

See, that is one of those distinction things. Terri COULD MOVE. She could turn her head and look at people, she even closed her eyes for prayer and opened them again after the prayer ended. Sounds like more than 'reflex'.

And I'd hope we wouldn't end up on TV, being dissected and passed around as grist for the mill.

There's another distinction. Had it not been for tv, we would not have been able to see Terri move her head, or follow the balloon with her eyes. We got to see something with our own eyes.

223 posted on 04/07/2005 3:48:32 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: ExPatInFrance

NOC is the Free Republic Nuclear Option Committe for Judicial Activism. We intend to help break the filibuster if we can.


224 posted on 04/07/2005 3:48:54 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Netizen
Terri was NOT suffering from a terminal illness, so why don't you point out the distinctions that you mentioned.

I'm not particularly qualified to do that. I just recognize that there is a whole range of brain injury where the mind may be lost but the body is healthy.

225 posted on 04/07/2005 3:50:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Netizen
See, that is one of those distinction things. Terri COULD MOVE. She could turn her head and look at people, she even closed her eyes for prayer and opened them again after the prayer ended. Sounds like more than 'reflex'.

The content of those tapes is far from conclusive... But IF all the videos showed what they claimed to show, that is still not a life I would want to prolong if it were me. Years of laying there unable to move my body, hoping someone comes in today and stimulates me with a balloon moving back and forth is just not enough reason for me to want to wake up in the morning.

226 posted on 04/07/2005 3:56:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Netizen
There's another distinction. Had it not been for tv, we would not have been able to see Terri move her head, or follow the balloon with her eyes. We got to see something with our own eyes.

If it were me, I'd hope I was NEVER the topic of discussion and dissection for the country to muse over. This needs to remain the very private decision of families that it usually is. Terri's case was rare, and it's publicity even more rare.

227 posted on 04/07/2005 3:58:26 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: DJ MacWoW
I guess I just don't picture yo as an activist. Yet. You may surprise me. I'd definately enjoy that. :)

I've been an conservative activist for a LONG time...before it was "cool".

I have deeply sacrificed--both personal and professional success--for "the cause" and to assist worthy groups. You'd probably be surprised that I did fund-raising (volunteer) for "pro-life" groups (supporting their anti-abortion activities). You'd probably be surprised that my conservative activist activities were mentioned in a NYT best-seller a decade ago. You'd probably be surprised that ... well, many more... :-)

You may surprise me. I'd definately enjoy that. :)

I appreciate your candor. I hope I have surprised you in a positive way...and I hope it opens the eyes of some who are trying to rip us all apart with epithets and lies. I try not to assume things about others on here, and try to see their points of view...and even if I disagree, I hope I'm civil and don't assume the worst of them.

228 posted on 04/07/2005 4:00:56 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: All

I just talked with the nephew- Kenneth..

The Judge DOES NEED TO BE HOUNDED!

KEEP ON THE JUDGE! Check out Hyscinece for all the latest info on this case-- Kenneth is in touch with them...

He had to get off the 0phone to talk to his attorney- so info should be coming soon!!


229 posted on 04/07/2005 4:03:04 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I just recognize that there is a whole range of brain injury where the mind may be lost but the body is healthy.

Yes, Terri's body was healthy. Such a shame that her family will never know if she could have improved like some doctors though if she had been allowed to go through a full course of rehab.

One of my uncle's had a brain anurysm. He went into coma and was brain dead. My aun had the plugs (PLURAL as he was on a respirator and other machines) after roughly 3 months. See, there was a big difference between his condition and Terri's. He truly was vegetative and comatose, she wasn't. But, they killed her anyway.

230 posted on 04/07/2005 4:03:10 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: Awestruck
...Freepers who have weighed in on the side of death in this fight

Can you try to consider that these FReepers might not be siding with "death" but with "rights" and "law" and "constitution" and "limited government" and "marriage" and "The Golden Rule" and many other things? Why must you slur your fellow posters so? Is it that you can't see any other possibility, or do you do it intentionally because you can't argue facts? Or something else?

231 posted on 04/07/2005 4:03:28 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Netizen

She was vegetative, just not brain dead.


232 posted on 04/07/2005 4:05:13 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

okay your position is well thought out, reasoned and accepted. That is what you would want for YOU. You understand it to be the same thing your husband would want.

How about Mae's case here? From what we know at face value. Living Will clearly shows when she would want to be stared and dehydrated to death. Do you think the Judge made a good decision putting the granddaughter in charge as Mae's Guardian when the granddaughter ordered her grandmother to be starved to death when grandma wasn't "dying." This is granddaughter (same as Terri Schindlers Husband in Name only) actively forcing death on an otherwise living person, who is not in the act of dying.

Good move by the Judge, or do you think the Sister and Brother and Nephew would have been better guardians. Re-read the post first what is wrong with Mae then comment on if the Judge selected the best in family as guardian.


233 posted on 04/07/2005 4:06:23 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (JUDGE GREER: LAST RITES INSTEAD OF CIVIL RIGHTS, "The Law of the case is she is going to Die!")
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To: combat_boots

Thanks for letting me know waht NOC is. At this point I can't get involved. But good luck to you guys!


234 posted on 04/07/2005 4:08:52 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (JUDGE GREER: LAST RITES INSTEAD OF CIVIL RIGHTS, "The Law of the case is she is going to Die!")
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To: eeevil conservative

Well how about a link!


235 posted on 04/07/2005 4:10:18 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (JUDGE GREER: LAST RITES INSTEAD OF CIVIL RIGHTS, "The Law of the case is she is going to Die!")
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To: ExPatInFrance

No problem, pal.


236 posted on 04/07/2005 4:11:05 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; yall; Ed_in_NJ; Orlando; HighlyOpinionated; Fred Nerks; realpatriot; ...

PING


237 posted on 04/07/2005 4:12:00 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: ExPatInFrance

SORRY!!

http://hyscience.typepad.com/hyscience/


238 posted on 04/07/2005 4:13:13 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Gondring

Marriage? You mean as in.. the sanctity of??? you mean like not moving in with another woman when you're married to someone else? like for better or worse??
Constitution? as in the inalienable RIGHT TO LIFE?
thanks for playing..try again.


239 posted on 04/07/2005 4:15:57 PM PDT by Awestruck (Here we go again!!)
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To: Gondring
I've been an conservative activist for a LONG time...before it was "cool".

Cool! ;)

I hope I have surprised you in a positive way.

You have. I'm glad.

and I hope it opens the eyes of some who are trying to rip us all apart with epithets

For being pro-life for ALL life I've been called lunatic and fringer. Posting prayers, hymns and Scripture will get a person a nasty label. And on a pro-life, pro-God forum. It's difficult NOT to strike back. And there are a few who have been very cruel in their attitude toward the Schindlers. One rejoiced that Terri's parents would have no access to her grave. I asked if I had misunderstood. I didn't. Those kinds of hard words make civility difficult and differences polarizing.

240 posted on 04/07/2005 4:16:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Life is always the Right choice)
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