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To: Netizen

She was vegetative, just not brain dead.


232 posted on 04/07/2005 4:05:13 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Gondring

There were differing opinions from various doctors as to if she were vegetative or not. Therefore it can't be confirmed that she was.


243 posted on 04/07/2005 4:20:10 PM PDT by Netizen (USA - Land of the free, home of the brave, where the handicapped are legally starved and dehydrated!)
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To: Gondring

Now we don't really "know" if Terri was vegatative do we?

We have one Judge who is not a doctor who made a "legal" decision, not a medical one that Terri was in a Persistent Vegatative State. The Judge ruled it so after 3 doctors examined her. 1 doctor said now way and she can be helped. 1 doctor is totally discredited because he is a "Death Doctor" and is accurately, the quote IS accurate, as saying, "persons in Vegatatve States do not have any rights, they are non persons" He jsut goes aroudn the country, this is his main job, testifying that people are PVS. Then there is a 3rd doctor who said Yes Terri IS PVS.

Fast forward. AFTER the Legal decision in 2002 a Brand New Medical diagnosis was created. It is called Minimully Conscious. Judge Greer, would not permit a re-evaluation of Terri, even with the full knowledge that the art of medicine progressed since he ruled. A fair Judge would have ordered a re-exam because of new medical diagnosis.

33 Health care providers provided depositions that were rpesented to the Judge, he refused to consider any of them. I didn't read them all, but one that carried a whole lot of weight with me was this one Read this guys credentials-

March 3, 2005
Lawrence Huntoon M.D. Neurologist clinical office Derby new York
Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her. There is also evidence of sustained visual pursuit, which is the clip where she is following the balloon. These behaviors indicate awareness of the environment, and this type of behavior distinguishes minimally conscious state (MCS) from persistent vegetative state (PVS)

The definition and diagnosis criteria for minimally conscious state were published in “Neurology” in February 2002.

Food and water should be offered to patients in the ordinary way in the case where artificial nutrition and hydration are being terminated. Providing food and water in the natural way, by mouth, constitutes “ordinary care” not “treatment.” Ordinary, comfort care should always be provided irrespective of instructions regarding “limitation of treatment”

I would ask you to go read all the Medical Affidavits (I have read most of them) and then come back and un-equivacally state that Terri was brain dead. See there were a heck of a lot of freepers, myself included that actually did the research, which is why we were all so incensed. If you did not do the research the Main stream media didn't bother to inform you of the facts. The sad part is the public really had to do their own work to find the truth becasue it was not in the MSM (Main Stream Media).

Do you jsut throw statments out to get a reaction?



251 posted on 04/07/2005 4:30:28 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (JUDGE GREER: LAST RITES INSTEAD OF CIVIL RIGHTS, "The Law of the case is she is going to Die!")
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To: Gondring
She was vegetative, just not brain dead.(Terri)

besides the fact that she was neither - (excuse me if you are a doctor and examined Terri for a few weeks) - but, as to "brain dead/vegetative" - there's a lot of people walking around and talking - and posting - that seem to qualify for "brain dead/vegetative"

786 posted on 04/08/2005 6:55:33 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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