Posted on 02/16/2005 7:34:02 AM PST by Lazamataz
All the older guys I know, guys that are 55 and older are telling me the same story; don't do it. It just turns to crap no matter what you do. They'd rather be independent. At best it's a tedious bore. At worst a living hell with financial ruin thrown in for good measure. The problem is that when you're young, you just naturally fall into this mind set where your whole self image is based on how women regard you, and so you spend all your money and energy trying to make yourself acceptable to them. Then later in life the shine wears off and you finally realize that you've wasted yourself on a bunch of crap.
Children - "the ultimate human experience" I couldn't even begin to list all of the older folks i know from work or through my family with kids they either don't get along with, are disappointed in, or are so distant as to not even be a factor in each other's lives.
I'm really skeptical about the idea of children as "the ultimate blessing." How many friends do you have with little or no meaningful contact or relationships with their parents?
I would wager the statistic for happy child/parent relations would be as bad, if not worse, than the marriage numbers. Who wants to deal with TWO bitter, unfulfilling relationships?!
Marriage is a sham for men. There is no benefit. If you are about to get married, think it over. Don't let your **** do your thinking for you. Don't let your punch-drunk I'm in love euphoria put you on auto-pilot. You will wake up in a hell of a hangover staring at this woman who will control your life.
A few years ago I went through a major depression over this until I started talking to all the older guys I knew...and they all said the same thing; "don't do it, it's crap. Even when it's not bad, it's crap". You end up being closely tied to an old woman. Think about that. I can go to Europe or the south seas tomorrow. If I was married I wouldn't have the money and I'd have to ask HER permission. Don't get married unless you are absolutely religiously in love with her. Like carry her sick aged body to the toilet and wipe her butt and be happy to do it kind of love.
What I'm saying is that human beings are nasty weak treacherous creatures that are for the most part totally untrustworthy. Experience is my basis for this statement, both mine and others who I know or who have written reliable histories. If you can find a woman to be your companion who is not treacherous, a deceitful little actress, a sly whore or a manipulative nag or a shrieking hag, then you are among the lucky few. Congratulations. I hope your luck continues to hold out.
Ok, assume that you will end up divorced and won't see your kids and lose half of your assets, how different is that from being married?
Most married guys I know are working their butts off to pay bills, rarely to get to spend time with their families, mediocre or no sex life, and have wives that spend as much of their money as absolutely possible.
My problem with marriage isn't a fear of divorce; it is that the whole thing sucks divorce or not.
What security is there for men in marriage? If I cheat on my wife, she gets half my stuff. If she cheats on me, she still gets half my stuff. Why the heck should i get married?
Screw it man, it's easy to get depressed about not being married when we live in a society that constantly feeds us the image of the happy couple. It's one big lie. The happiest person alive is someone who isn't a prisoner dependent on another human being... We only have 80 or so years on this rock to achieve true freedom.
Very few marriages last nowadays, and even guys older than me are telling me not to even think about it... It's a grossly overrated source of happiness. And for the 80% that do go through divorce, it will financially ruin you for life. Period. You can take your best 10 earning years from say, 35 to 45 and take all the wealth you would have accumulated and flush it down the toilet. Because it will go to her and her lawyer. If it happens naturally and it's good then great, good luck. But the worst thing is to force it, to make gross exertions and ignore all sorts of red lights going off just to be hooked up and "normal". Get some hobbies. Relax. Hang out. Enjoy. Take life as it comes.
As men, we all know that a woman's primary objective is to marry. After years of experience I've discovered their most commonly used strategy. here it is:
1. Girl pressures guy for marriage.
2. Guy delays.
3. Girl gradually starts destroying guy's self-esteem and eliminating his friends.
4. Guy becomes too weak and too much of a loser to find something better than what he has.
5. Girl starts to limit sex. In effect controlling the only good thing in the guy's life.
6. Guy is in despair. Capitulates to marriage.
Then 5-10 years later the guy is an empty shell of his former self. Girl is a ruthless manipulating machine. Girl divorces loser husband. Girl takes 80% of guy's stuff because the guy is too brain dead to find a good lawyer. Girl lives happily ever after. Guy becomes bald alcoholic who dies of heart attack at 45 years old.
I've been told that I'm a machine tool.
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Well, all right, I made up the part about "machine."
Well, go there if you dare ;)
I didn't make up the part about being called a machine.
But, you see, one woman explained it to me this way:
"You are a MACHINE, baby! That is to say, you make funny noises, you only have one or two uses, and if you don't get a lot of maintenance, you break down."
I hardly ever wear clothes. That's okay, isn't it?
I loves ya, Lazzie.
Laz, I'm eight years older than Cyber. He will be lowering me into the grave very gently. Then he gets all my/our money to play around when the playground is open.
We have a loathing of clothing around here. Why bother? Except when we go out, of course.
When my FIL calls he always asks me if I've got clothes on. I tell him, "No, but I'll put some on if you come over." He belly laughs.
When I was about 19, my girl friend and I decided to go to a nudist camp in the mountains -- then down the mountains via walking -- near San Bernardino, CA. There's a hot springs located there. I told my dad I was going. He told me I would be sorry. And he was right. My buttinsky was burnt so badly, I couldn't sit down for days. My dad just laughed.
Yes, he is. He's laying on the floor in the hallway, but has managed to climb on the couch in the study. He also went outside for a bit. He's very tired, though. He's almost 14. *sigh*
I love that photo.
I'm sure they were taking turns hauling the hay.
Ahhhh. Good to be home doing work now. All those yucky clothes were feeling...yucky.
And the woman will be tied to an old man! But of course it doesn't matter if a man is old. He can still be picky.
I don't want to have to answer all the points one by one. It would be a losing proposition.
I used to feign deafness to avoid responding to stuff like this.
I learned my lesson the day she asked me "Do these pants make me look fat"? and I replied "It's not the pants".
You missed your chance. You could have said, "What's inside those pants make me excited."
Guys miss out on the best opportunities.
LOL no, if you had learned your lesson, you wouldn't be telling all of us....
In the first place, if I said any thing like that, she'd have whupped my butt.
In the second place, you don't get to be married for almost 40 years by missing too many opportunities.
Believe me, marriage was/is my salvation and my nemesis, but I ignore the downside because the upside is so much better.
I think she sticks around to see what I'll do next and because, (she says), I make her laugh.
Cyber usually has me in stitches laughing. I'm more of the straight "woman," a la Gracie Allen. Then he gets laughing. I couldn't get a metaphor correctly if my life depended on it. LOL!
Oh, I'm so happy for you!!!
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