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Is the US really interesting in winning Iraq?
My own | 02-10-05 | Del Rio Wildcat 2

Posted on 02/10/2005 11:27:03 AM PST by Del Rio Wildcat 2

This is a hurriedly written piece on which I plan to elaborate in the near future.

First of all, let me state I am an Americanist patriot. I am not a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian nor any party person. I have come to realize over a number of years -- especially at the national level -- that a person who hopes to get enough popular support to win has to appeal to and placate many interest groups. The result of all this is that one has to stand for virtually everything, and by virtue of that very fact, one actually stands for nothing. In other words to stand FOR something, one must stand AGAINST many things.

George Washington warned of party spirit during his lifetime and today's patriots -- or far too many of them -- will defend their party no matter what. It is as if their support of party A or B somehow sanctifies it.

So my criticism of George W. Bush could just as well have been against Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc.

If one closely examines our foreign policy -- apart from the baloney put out by the Council on Foreign Relations and their ilk -- one can only conclude that it has been one of supporting financially and otherwise virtually every tin-pot dictator in the world. Then we come back months or years later having to fight them in one kind of war or another. That is, unless they are Russian, Chinese or Cubans -- Korea and Vietnam aside.

Now to the main point. I don't believe we are interesting in winning in Iraq. Forget the fact that the CIA propped up and helped to finance Saddam Hussein years back.

Consider how we have allowed the continuation of the murder of hundreds of American soldiers, American civilians, Iraqi policeman, civilians and military. We have been warned by several military generals and colonels that you cannot fight a defensive war against terrorists (insurgents). We lost that battle in Vietnam and other places in between as we are now.

If we were serious about winning in Iraq, we would recognize that Russia, China, Iran, Syria and other Marxist (yes I said Marxist -- Communism is not dead) have been the financers, supporters and source of much of the terrorism going on in Iraq.

When first we went into Iraq we used the Navy Seals (remember how the rescued the off shore oil rigs South East of Iraq) when terrorist were fixing to blow them up and how we used Army Rangers to create chaos in Mozul before the "regular" troops came from the South.

You cannot fight professional terrorists with inadequately) trained (no offense against) US troops. They simply are not able to fight this kind of warfare.

Further when our government allows civilians and send GIs and Marines into this environment without giving the latter all they need to win (i.e. special forces training)then that is criminal action, if not murder. In effect, that is giving a "kind of aid and comfort" to the enemy by offering little or no solid resistance and that, my friend, is tantamount to treason.

Do you think the president would allow this second-rate strategy if his daughters were in Iraq? I doubt it. I imagine he would have NOTHING BUT THE BEST to protect them -- and well he should.

Point is that in reality every innocent American life is as important as the President's daughters.

I am livid about this. I want to grab those responsible for this milk-toast military policy in Iraq by the scruff of the neck and... as we say in Texas, "teach them how the 'cow eats the cabbage'."

Either properly train our troops how to fight these Communist butcher and kill ALL of their leadership or get the heck out and bring all of our troops home.

Lastly, my fellow Americans, we get the kind of leadership we deserve. Until we stop following the idea of electing "politicians" and turn back to electing "statesmen" we shall continue to get the 2nd rate, deplorable leadership we have had for decades. And the key is Congress. That is where the real power resides; not in the Executive or Judicial branch. Get a copy of the U.S. Constitution and read Article 3, Section 2 for example.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. "In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make." i.e. note the 2nd part that is in quotes above.

So the solution is to relearn our Constitution, start electing statemen to office and put a complete stop to our self-defeating foreign policies which includes diplomatically recognizing and financiing brutal communist regimes and those of their ilk.

There is no substitute for righteous indignation. And we have lost far too much of that.

Your humble servant.


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To: Del Rio Wildcat 2; dighton; aculeus; BlueLancer; Poohbah
A) Total US casualties, killed and wounded, in WWII: 963,409
B) Casualties per day, WWII: 705.8
C) Total US casualties, killed and wounded, in Iraq, through yesterday: 12,222
D) Casualties per day in Iraq, through yesterday: 17.6

A + B + C + D = you're a schmuck. "Untrained" my ass.

61 posted on 02/10/2005 3:12:19 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: Del Rio Wildcat 2

>>>But we do need multiple squads of small units, lightly armed, working around the clock with Iraqis trained to do likewise. <<<

this is being done already and has since before Thunder Run

>>Obviously, with the exception of some more educated commanders, it's not. <<

yes it is. obviously you have a limited understanding of what is going on in Iraq. not surprising though, as most people only get their information from the media.


62 posted on 02/10/2005 3:27:12 PM PST by sdpatriot ("If I know the answer I'll tell you the answer, and if I don't, I'll just respond, cleverly." Rummy)
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To: Del Rio Wildcat 2; MeekOneGOP; mhking
Your humble servant.

Interesting Dribble...You expertise is what?
Soldiers for the truth?
Soldiers of Fortune?
Do you like kitties?


63 posted on 02/10/2005 3:42:24 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104
bump!

64 posted on 02/10/2005 3:57:19 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Del Rio Wildcat 2
Like the old saying goes, there are those who would argue with a fence post.

Well shucks, son, I was fixin' to debate you on what you wrote, but since you admit you're a fence post, I won't.

BTW, I'm a true Texian of your grandfathers generation.

65 posted on 02/10/2005 4:59:20 PM PST by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: zip

Thanks! And don't worry about the double post, that happens to me sometimes too. I don't know why, it's very odd. But hey, if that's the worst we have to endure here at FR, I'll take it!

Thanks for the compliment again! :)


66 posted on 02/11/2005 9:14:32 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Del Rio Wildcat 2; dighton
don't remember saying that we needed to send such a huge number of special forces. I never mentioned divisions or anything like that. In fact, we don't. But we do need multiple squads of small units, lightly armed, working around the clock with Iraqis trained to do likewise.

Absolutely fascinating! Scaling down to more flexible, maneuverable units, training and working in conjunction with the Iraqis. Rummy, is that you?

Certainly worthy of its own thread. < / sarcasm >

67 posted on 02/11/2005 9:53:02 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop
Certainly worthy of its own thread. < / sarcasm >

FR needs an Eleven-Star General Forum.

;-)

68 posted on 02/12/2005 5:28:43 AM PST by dighton
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