Posted on 01/18/2005 3:55:31 AM PST by cuz_it_aint_their_money
Greetings Survivor FReeks!
Its time once again for a new season of Survivor!
“Twenty Americans are stranded in Palau, the South Pacific paradise some call the 8th natural wonder of the world, where colorful wildlife, dense jungles and an underwater world beyond belief are haunted by the wreckage and remnants of World War II.
From the beginning, the game will be changed in a dramatic way: everything the Survivors have come to expect will be wiped out in the first 10 minutes.
Who will outwit, outplay, and outlast all others in Palau?”
According to the official website, there will only be one tribe (at least for starters) and three contestants will get the boot during the first show.
Should be interesting!
Wow, so even Jenn voted for Tom? That's harsh.
Yes, and Ian voted for Tom. Also on The Early Show Jenn said that they voted off Stephanie because she was America's Sweetheart and getting too much air time. Hello? Is she just stupid or what? They were still on the island and hadn't seen the final edited version of the show. If Jenn would have won, I would have been so angry. She was a worse leech than Katie. What drove me crazy about Katie is that she was so self-righteous about Ian turning on her when she was the first to turn on him and had this secret alliance with Jenn and Gregg at the same time she had the alliance with Ian and Tom. Ian bought in to her hysterics so easily.
I wonder if Tom would have won the vote against Ian? He still could have taken Ian to the final two, but he either felt like he had to adhere to the deal they made on the pole, or he realized he had a bettter chance against Katie. I had no idea that the tribe hated Katie so much until it came out in tribal council.
Yes, I am sick of Survivor having its token gay person on virtually every show. My ten-year-old loves the show, but I know she's getting a distorted view of the actual proportion of gay people in society. They are so visible on reality TV now. I am sure the gay activists love it. Then Jeff acts like this adoption is a great accomplishment rather than sad tragedy that it really is. Meanwhile, there are many childless American couples who can't find a child to adopt, and this girl will grow up without a mother and without a good idea of how to form a relationship with a heterosexual male.
Nope, he lost his will and gave up the challenge under the guise of being noble.
Thanks for that. Knowing, as Ayn Rand did, that all human decisions are basically selfish, I was trying to make sense of the Ian decision. I just couldn't put my finger on Ian's true motivation. You and Kingu helped me to see it was both a cop-out and calculated. But millions of liberals all over the world will laud him for his "selflessness."
One thing I noticed from this "Final 3" is that to me, it seems that the Final Two more often than not devolves into one good player taking one despicable/lazy/coattail riding player into the Final Two. I'd like to see the Final 3 Immunity challenge be "first one off loses - out of the game"
On another board, they're calling Tom out for his hypocrisy and meanness to Ian after he found out that Ian "would have had a hard choice" if Tom had lost the Final 4 immunity. I saw it a little different. Tom had gone to Jenn after he won and said "you know, I think you're wonderful but I made a deal with these people and I'm going to stick by it, and so I'm going to have to vote for you, potentially losing Jenn's vote, whereas Ian can safely say "oh, wow, maybe I wouldn't have voted for you Jenn," which might give him a leg up with Jenn in the final voting. Like I said, just an impression I got.
And Gregg's little rant about "YOU PROMISED FINAL 5 to me and Jenn" while forgetting "Please ignore, by the way, that I was planning to screw you over at 6 and vote your ass out. I wasn't aware that Tom was required to keep his word to someone who was planning to backstab him in order to keep him in the game. I guess Gregg forgot what he said in his exit interview when he was voted out, that they had turned the tables on him.
I wasn't aware that Tom was required to keep his word to someone who was planning to backstab him in order to keep him in the game.
Good point. At tribal council Tom still seemed confused about Gregg's betrayal. He apologized to Gregg for thinking that Gregg had betrayed him, even though in reality Gregg did betray him. I guess Gregg's speech succeeded in making Tom feel guilty, but then Tom's apology hopefully made Gregg feel guilty enough to vote for Tom.
What I'll never get over is Coby's telling Katie "I'm voting against Tom! I'm not voting for YOU!" This is of course, after Coby makes the statement to Tom that "you almost played that game as conniving (or whatever the word was) as I would have." So Tom was less of a maniputing jerk than Coby planned to be. And then to say "I'll be listening for the truth." I yelled back at the TV "You little drama queen - you wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up, shook your hand and ran back and bit you in the butt." STEPHANIE was the one that outed your spilling the beans - and EVERYONE voted you out, okay? You were NOT a threat - you were a whiney little bitch and everybody had just about had enough of you.
What I'll never get over is Coby's telling Katie "I'm voting against Tom! I'm not voting for YOU!" This is of course, after Coby makes the statement to Tom that "you almost played that game as conniving (or whatever the word was) as I would have." So Tom was less of a maniputing jerk than Coby planned to be. And then to say "I'll be listening for the truth." I yelled back at the TV "You little drama queen - you wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up, shook your hand and ran back and bit you in the butt." STEPHANIE was the one that outed your spilling the beans - and EVERYONE voted you out, okay? You were NOT a threat - you were a whiney little bitch and everybody had just about had enough of you.
I saw them on The Early Show today.
Only Coby voted for Katie.
I didn't know that 3rd place got $.
When Tom was on the pole, ready to accept Ian's offer, he said to Ian that he would be forfeiting $100,000. He said that's not chump change and could pay for his college.
Where did you hear that 3rd gets $85,000?
Several seasons back I heard that all the players of Survivor receive some kind of payment depending on how long they stay in the game. I believe it starts out around $10,000 and gets higher as the game progresses. This is just heresay though, I never verified it.
Tom is going to be on the Fox News Channel this morning. They just said it was coming up.
Thanks! I'll see if I can catch it.
If he had thought of it then. I get the impression that he didn't. Nobody knows for sure except Ian.
Forgetting for a moment that he gave his betrayal away (stoopid), what was really going on is that after almost 12 hours he figured out that he could do a "noble" thing and win back respect if he gave up the challenge. Funny how the more time passed the more inclined he was to be noble, Something he could have done at least six hours earlier.
If he had thought of it then. I get the impression that he didn't. Your guess is not necessarily any more accurate than mine.
Nope, he lost his will and gave up the challenge under the guise of being noble.
It if was just a matter of giving up and losing his will, he could have taken Tom's offer to take him to the final two for quitting, where he certainly had a better chance of beating Tom than Katie did, not only when Tom offered him that on the pole but after he jumped off. While I think Katie's emotional outbursts and tears were calculated, I don't think his was. I think he honestly wanted people to like him and was hurt that Tom (who had become a father figure) voted against him and lost respect for him. Sorry, but I'm getting the impression that some people here simply can't accept decisions made on the basis of nobility and respect instead of greed and are reading more into what Ian did than was plainly there. I imagine that it's very easy to see everything people do in selfish terms if you dismiss any possibility of people doing things for any other reason.
If it makes people feel any better, sacrificing his own position in the final two to win back the respect of Tom and Katie can be viewed as a selfish act. Ian was willing to pay off Tom and Katie for their forgiveness. He did get something out of it. Money is not all that people care about and I'm not sure why people can't believe that Ian was willing to pay for respect.
I disagree. I think he had an excellent chance of beating Katie, even if Tom voted against him. The fact that Katie got a single vote at the end suggests just how unliked she was and Ian would have gotten the "anyone but Katie" vote. What makes you think he wouldn't have won the million? In fact, I think he was probably the only person who might have beaten Tom in the final two had he taken Tom's deal.
It was selfish, if you want to think of it that way. He was simply more concerned about how Tom and Katie (and perhaps the audience) felt about him than he was about the money. He paid to restore his honor. In economic terms, he exchanged money for something that was more valuable to him. I've you don't see any value in honor and the respect of others, then I can see where that might be difficult to understand.
I just couldn't put my finger on Ian's true motivation.
It must be amazingly easy to fit everyone's decisions into your worldview if you exclude any explanations that don't fit your worldview and look for the "true" explanation that more neatly fits. So you know what was going on in Ian's head better than he did and would rather call him a liar than accept his simple explanation that explains his behavior quite well?
Who did Gregg ultimately vote for?
"If he had thought of it then. I get the impression that he didn't."
My point exactly. If he wasn't so stupid it would have taken 12 hours to figure it out.
"Money is not all that people care about and I'm not sure why people can't believe that Ian was willing to pay for respect."
I'm not sure he deserves respect for figuring out that he could buy back some respect and at the same time quit the challenge without giving the appearance that he was quitting. On the other hand, that's a pretty smart move.
Naw, still took him 12 hours to figure it out. Stoopid.
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