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The Neverending Story
Free Republic | 3/24/01 | The NES Crew

Posted on 01/11/2005 6:18:33 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

After a nine month hiatus, The Neverending Story, the granddaddy of daily threads, has returned to Free Republic. Originally begun on March 24, 2001, as a religious discussion thread, the NES evolved over time into a daily thread spanning a wide variety of topics. The new and improved Neverending Story will feature conversation on religion, politics, culture, current events, business, sports, family, hobbies, general fellowship and more. We welcome you to hang your hat in our little corner of FR. We ask you to abide by the FR posting rules and, even in the midst of serious debate, to keep the discussion friendly and respectful. Those who wish to "duke it out" are asked to take it over to the Smoky Backroom. I placed this thread in "General/Chat" for a reason, so play nice and have fun! :o)


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To: SoothingDave

What I don't get is, if they don't like the rules, why don't they go start their own "Womyn's Catholic Church"?


2,301 posted on 04/04/2005 8:47:08 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: SoothingDave
I don't see the dispersion of ashes as disrespectful. He is not limited. I believe that since YHWH can gather His people from all over the earth, He can reunite the person's ashes, too.

To suggest that dispersed ashes are somehow disrespectful, what then happens to those who were blown to bits and scattered by war? Are only those dispersed by others at risk? What about those that are scattered/dispersed during solemn, respectful memorial services?

2,302 posted on 04/04/2005 8:47:24 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: malakhi
What I don't get is, if they don't like the rules, why don't they go start their own "Womyn's Catholic Church"?

#1, they don't want to be free to have their own dogmas, they want no one else to contradict them and

#2, it's essentially a tantrum. They want the approval that they will never get. Sometimes Sarah thinks if she says "please" louder and louder I am going to permit her to do what I forbade.

Same thing, really.

SD

2,303 posted on 04/04/2005 8:52:22 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I don't see the dispersion of ashes as disrespectful.

We do. End of story.

He is not limited. I believe that since YHWH can gather His people from all over the earth, He can reunite the person's ashes, too.

We have no doubts either and it's kind of strange that you think we do. Is it that hard to think that we think that the deceased's remains should be treated with respect?

SD

2,304 posted on 04/04/2005 8:53:56 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
The human is body, soul, and spirit united. We are not gnostics trapped in a materialist prison.

While alive, yes. When the body dies what is left? What use is this dead body? You can strip it clean of all it's organs. You can burn it up. You can bury it in the ground to rot away. Why? Because the body is nothing. It is waste. It is junk. What survives, if anything, is certainly not the body.

Naturally you have a "Plan B" for those whose bodies are vaporized in a crash, fire, or explosion? No ashes, no nothing to "respect".

The Catechism position on cremation has no bearing, nor takes a position on the disposition of the ashes of a cremated person. Scattering them to the winds is not "a denial of faith in the resurrection of the body."

If you are going to cite the Catechism as your authority please limit yourself to what is said. If you are going to cite the Catechism according to SD please acknowledge it.

2,305 posted on 04/04/2005 9:01:20 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I guess all those people incinerated in the WTC are SOL, huh? (according to catholics, anyway)


2,306 posted on 04/04/2005 9:04:04 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: OLD REGGIE
It is junk.

Nothing made by God to serve as a dwelling place for His Spirit is "junk." You really don't get the Incarnational aspects of the Faith.

The Catechism position on cremation has no bearing, nor takes a position on the disposition of the ashes of a cremated person. Scattering them to the winds is not "a denial of faith in the resurrection of the body."

I believe I pointed out at least twice that it is considered disrespectful. Whether or not one intends to deny the Resurrection. The Ark of the Covenant was just some box that God used to dwell in. Did the Hebrews burn it for fuel afterwards?

SD

2,307 posted on 04/04/2005 9:05:32 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE

I guess all those people incinerated in the WTC are SOL, huh? (according to catholics, anyway)


2,308 posted on 04/04/2005 9:05:35 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)
You're truly ignorant.

SD

2,309 posted on 04/04/2005 9:11:52 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny); SoothingDave
I guess all those people incinerated in the WTC are SOL, huh? (according to catholics, anyway)

No, not according to Catholics. According to Dave maybe.

As far as that goes the Catholic Church takes no position on the disposition of the ashes of the cremated body. This is purely a SDism.

2,310 posted on 04/04/2005 9:12:54 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: SoothingDave
I believe I pointed out at least twice that it is considered disrespectful. Whether or not one intends to deny the Resurrection. The Ark of the Covenant was just some box that God used to dwell in. Did the Hebrews burn it for fuel afterwards?

I know I have pointed out many times that you are not the Catholic Church. Show me an official Catholic Church teaching concerning the disposition of the ashes of a cremated person.
2,311 posted on 04/04/2005 9:18:54 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
No, not according to Catholics. According to Dave maybe.

You are correct, of course.

2,312 posted on 04/04/2005 9:21:48 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave
Still, could be worse. They got hammered by snow in Erie and the eastern side of the state got 10-12 inches of rain. That's incredible. We had severe flooding in September with 5-6 inches of rain.

Hey Dave.

My wife was stuck in standstill traffic for 1 hour+ on I-90 near Northeast due to many accidents yesterday. Very bad weather in the Erie area. She said it was the worst weather in which she's ever driven.

2,313 posted on 04/04/2005 9:28:55 AM PDT by Fury
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To: OLD REGGIE

It's only a matter of time. The church used to be opposed to cremation, now it accepts it. In time they will accept dispersal, too. The church will realize that it isn't any more disrespectful to disperse the ashes of a body that once housed the spirit of G-d, than it is disrespectful for a body that still houses the spirit of G-d and drinks to excess, or smokes etc.


2,314 posted on 04/04/2005 9:47:09 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: SoothingDave
Sometimes Sarah thinks if she says "please" louder and louder I am going to permit her to do what I forbade.

Heheheh. I get that a lot, too. :o)

2,315 posted on 04/04/2005 9:47:19 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Fury

You want in on our NCAA tourney bracket contest next year? No cash, just bragging rights.


2,316 posted on 04/04/2005 9:52:34 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi
You want in on our NCAA tourney bracket contest next year? No cash, just bragging rights.

Sure. Nebraska all the way! ;)

2,317 posted on 04/04/2005 10:04:00 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Fury
My wife was stuck in standstill traffic for 1 hour+ on I-90 near Northeast due to many accidents yesterday. Very bad weather in the Erie area. She said it was the worst weather in which she's ever driven.

Parts of Erie county got 19 inches. That's crazy. I'm glad we went to Splash Lagoon a few weeks ago.

SD

2,318 posted on 04/04/2005 10:04:54 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: ET(end tyranny)
The church will realize that it isn't any more disrespectful to disperse the ashes of a body that once housed the spirit of G-d, than it is disrespectful for a body that still houses the spirit of G-d and drinks to excess, or smokes etc.

Interesting example you have chosen to use.

SD

2,319 posted on 04/04/2005 10:05:46 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: malakhi
Colorado Governor apologized for saying "the natives are getting restless" during a conference on tribal gambling.
2,320 posted on 04/04/2005 10:25:14 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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