OCTOBER DREAM [TERROR ATTACKS WORLDWIDE HAVE U HAD SUCH A DREAM OR VISION?]

I'm very, very curious,

how many of your teen aged kids . . .

HOW MANY OF THEM

would DECLARE HONESTLY

that you have a very emotionally bonded relationship with them in which they are more or less entirely comfortable talking with you about virtually anything? How many of them feel greatly understood by you and respected by you?

BTW,

Quix has NOT had

ANY

of the dreams posted on this thread!!!

I'm acting as a facilitator, communicator, seeking Spiritually discerning discussion and consensus on the offerings that I've tried to glean in a representative way from my mostly net based sources.

I'M ESPECIALLY SEEKING TO MOTIVATE INCREASED PRAYER FOR OUR NATION AND FOR OUR PRESIDENT.

BTW, DR E,

I'd be delighted to talk to folks responsible for safety of our beloved President.

I'd relish the chance to tell them how much we are praying for THEM and to encourage THEM to pray earnestly these days for their efforts, their safety as well as the safety of our beloved President.

BTW, I'm sure the Secret Service does much better at reading plain English than you seem to.

I'm beginning to understand where your problems arise from in terms of understanding plain Scriptures in The Bible about prophetic inputs and other important Biblical issues, principles and even doctrines.

This is what I mean about your unbiblical statements. I am tired of you taking Acts 1:17 out of context. Peter said THIS (what happened on the day of Pentecost) is THAT which was spoken of. The "last days" means that the Christian age is the last age we will go through before the Lord comes.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurred exactly twice in the New Testament. Once to signify that salvation was available to man, and the second time to signifiy that it was available to the gentiles. There is no other mention of it. It was a special occurrence for those exact purposes. The BIBLE tells us that otherwise the gifts of the HS were bestowed upon others by the laying on of apostles hands. This is not some blind assertion from me, it is something I can PROVE. Well, it seems that the apostles died out, and with them the gifts.

Furthermore, the PURPOSE of the gifts is ended, so therefore no more gifts. We have the bible and that's all we should need to convince us.

The bible is God's complete revelation to man - not dreams, not so called prophecies, but the Bible. If you don't believe that the bible is true viz. 2 Tim 3:16-17, then why do you follow bible at all ??

Oh sorry. I forgot you didn't want to debate me because you don't have time (although you seem to have been doing nothing all day but posting here). I was just tired of you wresting scriptures and I won't tolerate it anymore. So debate me on a separate thread or stop misquoting scripture.

That sir is not your business. And further it has nothing to do with our discussion.

QX: I think this one if quite true.

Do Not Look Back

Musa Opiyo

Do Not Look Back Now, This is A New Season

September 13, 2004

For this is the hour to advance and take ground says the Lord. This is the time to put your hand to the plow and not to look back for I am doing a new work in the hearts of My people. I am releasing a great wave of faith to believe the impossible concerning the harvest, not just the harvest of souls, but also an individual harvest of the good seeds My people have sown.

This is the time to advance forward and not to look back at the past. Let bygones be bygones. For I am not doing things the same way I did them yesterday but indeed a new work. You are part of that new work and I call you now to surrender your life afresh and ask for a new outpouring of the Holy Spirit. What is stale cannot remain, so look to Me, the author and the finisher of your faith to fill your vessels with the fresh oil of the Holy Spirit to be equipped for what is ahead.

QX: I believe this one has plenty of truth in it, too.

Gross Darkness

Barbara Lynch

joshua2000@delaware.net

Word of The Lord

Date: Sep 4, 2004, 9:39 PM

The Father showed me people and the people turned totally black. Then he spoke this to me:

That is the gross darkness. You will never see anything darker that this. The gross darkness will try to snuff out the light, but the light will grow brighter and brighter. Many have already fallen to the sway of the evil one and many more will fall, but all those that stand fast, their light will shine brighter and brighter.

I showed you the people turning totally dark, so you could see exactly how the gross darkness will look. It will be mid-evil times once again and will run to and fro and they will seek after their own gods, believing that their own gods will deliver them from this evil time. But they will soon see that the only way they can possibly survive is by turning back to the light.

You are about to see many prophetic words come to pass. You are about to see those in bondage broken loose. You are about to see My resurrection power rise up over My people and set them free.

LIVING BIBLE Hebrews 3:15 - 19

15 But now is the time. Never forget the warning, "Today if you hear God's voice speaking to you, do not harden your hearts against him, as the people of Israel did when they rebelled against him in the desert."

16 And who were those people I speak of, who heard God's voice speaking to them but then rebelled against him? They were the ones who came out of Egypt with Moses their leader.

17 And who was it who made God angry for all those forty years? These same people who sinned and as a result died in the wilderness.

18 And to whom was God speaking when he swore with an oath that they could never go into the land he had promised his people? He was speaking to all those who disobeyed go him.

19 And why couldn't they go in? Because they didn't trust him.

LIVING BIBLE 2 Timothy 3:1 - 9

1 You may as well know this too, Timothy, that in the last days it is going to be very difficult to be a Christian.

2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be proud and boastful, sneering at God, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful to them, and thoroughly bad.

3 They will be hardheaded and never give in to others; they will be constant liars and troublemakers and will think nothing of immorality. they will be rough and cruel, and sneer at those who try to be good.

4 They will betray their friends, they will be hotheaded, puffed up with pride, and prefer good times to worshipping God.

5 They will go to church, yes, but they won't really believe anything they hear. Don't be taken in by people like that.

6 They are the kind who craftily sneak into other people's homes and make friendships with silly, sin-burdened women and teach them their new doctrines.

7 Women of that kind are forever following new teachers, but they never understand the truth.

8 And these teachers fight truth just as Jannes and Jambres fought against Moses. They have dirty minds, warped and twisted, and have turned against the Christian faith.

9 But they won't get away with all this forever. Someday their deceit will be well known to everyone, as was the sin of Jannes and Jambres.

QX: This one is plausible and certainly consistent with many others. But, as with all of them, offered for your discernment and discussion.

Vision of Storms

Larry Magnello

August 23, 2004

I was in a house on the 2nd floor with my mother and sister in America. There was a strong storm with great winds and it was raining. It blew so hard I thought the windows would break to pieces. It was very noisy and loud this storm. We went to the front of the house where the bedroom was. The house was almost like the one I grew up in and it seemed like Ohio. Ohio doesn't have bears, so I had the impression I was in Pennsylvania where I live in bear country, but the area looked like Ohio.

I looked out the window and saw the winds blow about 150 to 200 mph. I saw a large bear and dogs that were being blow by the house. They were terrified and the wind carried them away. Then another bear blew by and he finally stood still. I could see the terror on the bears face, and then the winds blew him away, and I saw some more dogs on the streets being blown away swiftly. With these winds the house should have blow away, and the windows should have burst but they didn't. I knew it was very dangerous weather, but in the dream, I didn't pray for protection. God was protecting us. God was going to judge America.

House of Cards & Cities of Glass Vision July 24, 2003

Larry A. Magnello

House of Cards

I was in a city in looked like northeastern America and there was a powerful storm in the sky, and the clouds were dark, and the wind was blowing fiercely. Everyone ran for shelter and some people took me with them. We went into a large dome building and I said, "this is not going to protect us from the storm, we got to get out of here. They responded and said that we were safe, but I knew we weren't; so I left, but they stayed.

I went back outside and looked up to the sky, and the sky was higher and larger, and I saw the United States sprawled out over the sky like a map. It was like a sheet of glass with each state drawn in the map, and I gazed more at the eastern part of the United States.

There were storms in each state as I looked at the map. Each state had different intensities of storms in them, but the northeastern parts of America were severe storms.

I saw houses made of cards, or cardboard pieces and a wind blew on them and they fell flat. God said, "House of Cards," Houses would collapse in the coming storms with great winds.

Interpretation

This can also apply to the Christian homes that are not built by God will collapse like a house of cards will fall. But the main feeling I got while in the vision is that there are coming storms and winds that will be over 200 to 300 mph, which will bring many houses down flat to the ground.

Cities of Glass

I saw cities made of glass (sky Scrapers) and Rocks fell from the sky, but when the large mammoth rocks hit the cities, the buildings and skyscrapers crashed and shattered like dropping glass. I saw people go into large dome buildings, and they also were crashed and shattered like glass.

Interpretation

Rocks will fall across the cities of America, and since the skyscrapers are made out of glass, they will shatter and glass will fall to the ground. Entire cities will be destroyed.

Larry A. Magnello www.livingtree.org

Well, this is interesting enough. Of course, this is the time when tensions run high. In any case, one should pay some attention to special dreams, to find out why.

Keywords from the report (as always): "Watch and Pray."

QX: Another sobering one with a fitting exhortation:

Hearts of Darkness Hearts of Light

Angel Dahilig

In a dream, I was inside a church... perhaps my church.

Before me, I saw the pews in the sanctuary with people sitting in them.

My field of vision, was focused on only a few of the pews.

The rest of the pews, and the people, were shrouded to me, because the edges of my field of vision fading into darkness.

This effect, zoomed my attention right on these pews, and especially upon the people seated in the pews.

I did not see their faces clearly, but rather my attention was drawn to the area of the heart.

Then, I noticed a few of the people had lights, like the light of a warm candle, glowing from within their chests...

But, only a few, perhaps one or two.

The rest of the people, had only darkness there, no light, but empty of light.

This made me sad to see no light, no warmth from the light.

I was surprised, that so few, out of so many, had this light.

You could not "normally" tell by looking at them,

which ones had the light in their hearts,

and which ones had only darkness.

I could only see because God's Spirit showed me

what only He can see.

For God sees into the heart.

They all sat in the same pews.

They all sang the same songs.

They all came to church.

They all claimed to be Christians,

believers and followers of Christ.

But, not all had the light in their hearts.

Some still were in darkness.

(John 5:42)

Those who had the light,

were those who truly knew their God,

(1 John 4:7, 1 John 4:12)

and were also KNOWN BY HIM.

(1 Cor. 8:3, Gal. 4:9)

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Scripture References:

The Light:

John 8:12

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said,

"I am the light of the world.

Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,

but will have the light of life."

John 1:4

In him [Jesus, the Word] was life, and that life was the light of men.

John 9:5

[Jesus said,] "While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

John 12:46

I have come into the world as a light,

]so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

John 3:21

But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light.

The Command of God/Jesus:

Mark 12:33

And to love him with ALL the heart,

and with ALL the understanding,

and with ALL the soul,

and with ALL the strength,

and to love his neighbor as himself,

is more than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices.

John 13:34

"A new command I give you:

Love one another.

As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

1 John 3:23

And this is his command:

to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,

and to love one another as he commanded us.

1 John 3:11

This is the message you heard from the beginning:

We should love one another.

Romans 13:8

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another,

for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

Matthew 7:12

So in everything, do to others

what you would have them do to you,

for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Those Who Truly Follow Jesus, Are In The Light:

John 8:12

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said,

"I am the light of the world.

Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,

but will have the light of life."

John 13:35

By this all men will know that you are my disciples,

if you love one another."

1 Peter 1:22, 25, 2:1

Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that

you have sincere love for your brothers,

love one another deeply from the heart...

... the word of the Lord stands forever.

And this is the word that was preached to you.

Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy,

and slander of every kind.

1 John 4:12

... if we love one another,

God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

1 John 1:5, 7

5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you:

God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light,

we have fellowship with one another,

and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

1 John 2:10

Whoever loves his brother lives in the light,

and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.

Those Who Are Still In Darkness:

1 John 2:9,11

9Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.

11But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness;

he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.

1 John 1:6

6If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness,

we lie and do not live by the truth.

John 5:42

but I know you, I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.

Those Known By God:

1 John 4:7

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God.

Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Galations 4:9

But now that you know God--or rather are known by God....

1 Cor. 8:3

But the man who loves God is known by God.

What is this love Jesus commands of us?

To love our neighbor as ourselves. (Mark 12:31)

To lay down our life. (John 15:13)

To love our enemies. (Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:27-36)

To help one another. (Matthew 25:31-46)

http://www.geocities.com/angeldahilig/

Those Who Seek After Knowledge, Will Not Find Me!

Angel Dahilig

8/31/2004

"Those who go 'to and fro' seeking after knowledge,

will not find Me, in 'That Day'.

But, those who sought to grow in My Love,

have already found Me!

THESE are the ones whom I know, and

whom will be found IN ME,

on that Dreadful and Terrible Day!

Says the LORD!"

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Isaiah 29:14

Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder;

the wisdom of the wise will perish,

the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Matthew 19:30

But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

John 15:12-14

12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

14You are my friends if you do what I command.

Matthew 7:19-23

19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven,

but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord,

did we not prophesy in your name,

and in your name drive out demons and

perform many miracles?'

23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you.

Away from me, you evildoers!'

1 Corinthians 8:1

Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.

1 Corinthians 12:31; 13:2

And now I will show you the most excellent way.

2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge,

and if I have a faith that can move mountains,

but have not love, I am nothing.

Additional scriptures:

Genesis 2:9, 16-17; 3:4-7.

Angel Dahilig

8/31/2004

http://www.geocities.com/angeldahilig/

THANKS.

You put my seDiments

[the settled out distillations of the essences of import that I derive from all the above, phew]

very well.

Blessings to you and yours.

Ahhhhh,

when the truth gets too close to home,

THEN

you want to

'stick to the discussion.'

Please take your distractions, distortions, and harrassments to your own thread. You have hijacked this one far too long.

lol Please don't. The first sign I look for on a website that indicates whether the webmaster is a kook is whether they have a bizarre fascination with changing the font and color tags every few words.

And I apologize for identifying you as the originator of the dreams. I was rattling off a reply from my desk at work and misspoke (or mistyped, as the case may be).

And you're welcome for the kind words. I appreciate your hard work and willingness to take the heat to discuss these subjects on FR. While I often don't get a chance to reply to all of your threads, I do read them all.

Those of us who know better

are quite comfortable and gifted at

flushing HOGWASH.

Am greatly humbled and blessed by your thoughtful and kind words.

May GOD ALMIGHTY REWARD YOUR ABUNDANTLY

as I am unlikely to ever be able to even try, this side of eternity, short of His miraculous interventions!

???

Whatever you say. Your efforts to draw this debate into the realm of the emotional will not avail you. The bible is meant to be understood with the mind. The word of God causes an emotional reaction, not the other way around. This is probably why you are afraid to debate me, because you know your positions are not tenable with an accurate use of scripture.

Yeah, the flack is rarely much fun. And, it virtually always comes most and worst from 'the bretheren' --at least so named.

Thankfully, our LORD AND SAVIOR

took FAR MORE,

for me.

It's the least I can do as a microgram token of thanks.

May all your relationships manifest the fullness of His provision of Love, intimacy, substance, freedom, safety and walking intimately in His Spirit, hand in hand with Him.

I would have

MUCH PREFERRED to have avoided any such input as the following. Alas, I feel far too constrained in my spirit to quench or resist any longer. May the truly spiritually discerning offer their assessment and confirmation or disconfirmation publically or via FREEPMAIL as they may be led.

This is primarily addressed to the father of those who feel less than loved, understood and intimately related to him. However, there's plenty in it for all those of his attitude and convictions on the essence of the issues assaulted by them.

[Lord, help me to remember it, get it as felt and not more nor less] . . .

1) Most of the more broken, of contrite heart and discerning hereon have been the way of the following. Most of us probably through repeated wash and hung-out-to-dry cycles. Some of us seem to have required many runs around the same mountain being slow to learn some of such lessons. Mercifully, God has been careful to repeatedly throw us in the fiery furnaces of affliction; on the Heavenly operating table and will likely do so at His pleasure conforming us to the image of His son as long as we abide in this time/space dimension.

2) USN DAD: CONSIDER WHAT YOU HOLD DEAREST. I don't know if it is one of your 8 children; your spouse; your job; your home; your position in a church; your knowledge; your health. WHATEVER IT IS, in the not too distant future, God will turn you every which way but loose through that dearest thing and possibly through several most dear things.

3) You will utterly despair as a Loving Father seeks redemptively to break whatever's hindering His Highest within you--whether it's hardness of heart, ego, smugness, self-righteousness or whatever. Even you will urgently and repeatedly cry out for a miracle, perhaps a set of miracles to bring relief in the area of that which you hold most dear.

4) When that day comes, whether soon or delayed, you will remember this thread and feel very sorrowful for your stance, your attitude and probably each word. Hopefully, you will also feel repentant and act accordingly. I certainly forgive you in advance as I trust do all other like minded hereon. The goal is to be comformed to the Image of His Son, regardless of the cost.

5) I don't know that your efforts on this thread have set such up. My personal sense is that such was already scheduled. Your words hereon may have hastened that day.
Guess that's all. Thought there was more to say but since I don't seem to have more to say, I'd best shut up.

HOGWASH on all counts.

You really need help. Do you realize that ?