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Hurricane Frances
NHC | 08-31-04 | my favorite headache

Posted on 08/31/2004 12:50:42 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Edited on 08/31/2004 4:05:13 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Hurricane Frances Now A Severe Category 4 Hurricane VORTEX Bulletin:

--Previous Message-- : 000 : URNT12 KNHC 311907 : VORTEX DATA MESSAGE : A. 31/1907Z : B. 20 DEG 22 MIN N : 65 DEG 20 MIN W : C. 700 MB 2579 M : D. 50 KT : E. 226 DEG 084 NM : F. 323 DEG 123 KT : G. 238 DEG 011 NM : H. 940 MB : I. 13 C/ 3074 M : J. 24 C/ 3057 M : K. 10 C/ NA : L. CLOSED WALL : M. C28 : N. 12345/07 : O. .1 /2 NM : P. AF985 1006A FRANCES OB 11 : MAX FL WIND 139 KT NW QUAD 1735Z. : SMALL HAIL IN SW EYEWALL.


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To: dennis1x

Category Five Hurricane:
Winds greater than 155 mph (135 kt or 249 km/hr).


21 posted on 08/31/2004 12:58:09 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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To: dirtboy

Correct. Winds measured up where the Hurricane Hunters fly are higher than surface winds, which is what the NHC uses to categorize a storm. They'll use that flight-level wind of 139 knots in a formula to estimate the surface wind, and that's what gets reported.

My guess is they'll say 115 or 120 knots, which is still a Category Four. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Frances a particularly big mama size-wise? That thing looks awfully big compared to some others.

}:-)4


22 posted on 08/31/2004 12:58:30 PM PDT by Moose4 (Hey, Jacque, do you still think staying out of Iraq will buy the terrorists off?)
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To: Pyro7480

Category Five Hurricane:
Winds greater than 155 mph (135 kt or 249 km/hr).


23 posted on 08/31/2004 12:58:41 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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To: My Favorite Headache

24 posted on 08/31/2004 12:58:54 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

yes...i know the definition of cat 5 storm.....and Frances is well below that at this time.....

cat 5 designation is not based on flight level winds.


25 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:11 PM PDT by dennis1x
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To: My Favorite Headache
ugggh ...

I hope everyone on the coast is taking notice and getting the hell out of the way!!!!!

26 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:34 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Pete
Great Seneca Highway!!! That is a big storm!

Sorry to threadjack, but what's the origin of that expression? Just wondering... I recently moved near, then away from, Great Seneca Hwy in Maryland...

27 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:37 PM PDT by LeftIsSinister (Liberalism--The Cure for Success)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Greater than 155 at sea level not flight level


28 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:40 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Pyro7480
That is the eye of God... or his wraith.

Just get out of its way.

29 posted on 08/31/2004 12:59:56 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
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To: Izzy Dunne

Is Daytona on this track so far?


30 posted on 08/31/2004 1:00:47 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life..........)
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To: TXBSAFH

I know from experience that after one of these major storms, lots of insurers will pull out of the state or cancel policies for trumped up reasons. When you try to get a new policy, it will cost twice as much.


31 posted on 08/31/2004 1:01:04 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Man, that's a scary radar signature!


32 posted on 08/31/2004 1:01:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Snowy

Must be the 'chad effect'.

Seriously though, folks in the path of the storm, be prepared to bug out. You will be in my prayers.


33 posted on 08/31/2004 1:01:50 PM PDT by Stashiu ( Yeah, I am a Vietnam Vet, not a War Criminal.)
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To: helen crump
Here in Louisiana we had an interesting encounter with Hurricane Lili a couple of years ago. We were facing a Strong Category 3 storm that was promising to strengthen to a low end Category 4 before landfall. However, we had just had a Tropical Storm strike a week earlier in New Orleans. As a result, the waters near the coast were significantly cooler than expected. When the storm hit these waters just a few hours before landfall, it dropped to about 110 mph winds. I don't know if there are specific rules that can determine if one will play out or not. But, I know that there is an amazing amount of unpredictability to these storms.
34 posted on 08/31/2004 1:02:07 PM PDT by lnbchip
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To: My Favorite Headache

Cat 5 is approx 930 millibar or lower pressure and 155mph+ at sea-level.

But I wouldn't put it past the storm to strengthen further. There are no high level winds to rip it up, the water only gets warmer, etc.


35 posted on 08/31/2004 1:02:09 PM PDT by Crazieman
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To: cmsgop

Anything from Palm Beach north is in play.


36 posted on 08/31/2004 1:02:11 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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To: Crazieman

Agreed it was my own ignorance to post flight level winds...I didn't pay mind to the FL next to the knots..lol...but jumped when I saw the recon vortex.


37 posted on 08/31/2004 1:03:41 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Here is the most recent National Weather Service bulletin.

Nothing about Cat 5 here.


000
WTNT31 KNHC 311757
TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE FRANCES INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER  27A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
2 PM AST TUE AUG 31 2004
 
...POWERFULL HURRICANE FRANCES...WITH 140 MPH WINDS...MOVING
WESTWARD A LITTLE FASTER...
 
A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS
...WHICH INCLUDES ACKLINS...CROOKED...INAGUAS...MAYAGUANA AND
RAGGED ISLANDS...AND FOR THE TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS. 

A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS WHICH
INCLUDES CAT...EXUMAS...LONG ISLAND...RUM CAY AND SAN SALVADOR.
 
A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED
WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.  PREPARATIONS TO
PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION. A
HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE
WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.
 
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR PUERTO RICO...
CULEBRA...VIEQUES AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS OF ST. THOMAS...ST.
JOHN AND SURROUNDING ISLANDS...AND FOR THE BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS.
 
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE NORTH COAST OF THE
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM PUNTA GORDA WESTWARD TO MANZANILLO BAY AND
HAS DISCONTINUED THE TROPICAL STORM WATCH SOUTH OF PUNTA GORDA.

AT 2 PM AST...1800Z...THE EYE OF HURRICANE FRANCES WAS LOCATED BY AN
AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE NEAR LATITUDE 20.3 NORTH...
LONGITUDE  65.0 WEST OR ABOUT 140 MILES...230 KM...NORTH-NORTHEAST
OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO.
 
FRANCES IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 16 MPH ...26 KM/HR...AND THIS
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TODAY WITH A GRADUAL TURN TO THE
WEST-NORTHWEST. ON THIS TRACK...THE CORE OF THE HURRICANE WILL BE
PASSING PASS WELL TO THE NORTH OF THE U.S AND BRITISH VIRGIN
ISLANDS AND PUERTO RICO LATER TODAY. SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO RADAR
SHOWS RAINBANS APPROACHING PUERTO RICO.
 
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 140 MPH...225
KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.  THIS A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR/SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS
POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
 
HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO  70 MILES...110 KM...
FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP
TO 175 MILES...280 KM.
 
A RECONNAISSANCE PLANE JUST MEASURED A MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE OF
942 MB...27.82 INCHES.
 
RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES...LOCALLY HIGHER...ARE LIKELY OVER
PORTIONS OF PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS IN ASSOCIATION WITH
FRANCES TODAY.
 
LARGE AND DANGEROUS WAVES ARE POSSIBLE ALONG NORTH COAST OF THE
ISLANDS IN THE WARNING AREA.

38 posted on 08/31/2004 1:04:02 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: Crazieman

crazieman....latest sat pics show a contracting eye and that "smooth" eyewall appearance........could be heading towards 930 soon....


39 posted on 08/31/2004 1:04:05 PM PDT by dennis1x
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To: lnbchip

I remember that very well...it just got the ever living hell sucked out of it. Everyone was so fearful of that storm too.


40 posted on 08/31/2004 1:04:25 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Absalom, Absalom, Absalom....)
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