Basis of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of the Jews (Leading Belfast journo on Passion)

The Belfast Telegraph ^ | 04 March 2004 | Eamonn McCann

[Cboldt]

You really ought to use your talent another way. Your "Anyone know when the pogrom is on for?" incites inflammatory reaction. It is damaging to the credibility of FR as a serious forum. It is damaging to Christian interests.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"No religion can claim perfection in the behavior of all of its adherents."

This is a bunch of pap.

[freebilly]

Agnes Heep must have been forced to go to Sunday School as a child. Never got over it....

[freebilly]

Weren't you on another thread yesterday preaching the evil deeds done by Catholics the past 2000 years?

So you think you are talking to the Lutherans today, who will be on your list tomorrow?

There must be a Methodist to his madness....

Sorry, I couldn't resist....

[AFPhys]

If there were any common sense among those who are yelling "anti-Semite", they would turn their face away from America, and American (practicing) Christians, and turn it toward Europe and the internationalist Demodogs. Until they start to recognize where their real enemy is, I will pay no attention to their empty attacks.

[Just mythoughts]

I am beginning to believe that this organized effort that started with the THEFT of Mel's script has deep roots.


Yesterday was a trashing of Catholics for their sins back over the past 2000 years.

Now we have research from the 1500 regarding Luther. Interesting thing my Bible does not quote Luther or Catholics.

I cannot help being reminded of what was demanded to be removed from Mel's movie is what seems to be happening to Christians. This is like an attempt to replay a drama again without having to say what this author plainly said.

Some are very much still ticked at Christ.

[Just mythoughts]

lollllll


I don't know much about those Methodists.... wonder if they have "fig" leaves hiding something.

[Cboldt]

The author is quite a character. Not at all afraid of controversy, and perhaps a provocateur. See below ...

If we had been able to point to an organised working class movement - the unions most importantly, and the Labour Party - with a clear record of fighting vigorously for an end to the oppression of Catholics, it might have been possible to point to the working class as the force which had the power to remedy the ills we were campaigning against.

But that wasn't the case. The realistic possibility we did have, and didn't take, was of recruiting relatively rapidly from the masses of angry, urgent working class youth whom we had helped bring onto the streets, and perhaps entering 1969 with a revolutionary socialist organisation a few hundred strong.

The task of building such an organisation remains.

Eamonn McCann: The roots of revolt (1988) <-- Link

[freebilly]

Just out of curiosity, why are you so upset with Christians in 2004? Do you really believe that we will begin attacking Jews?
Have any Freepers made any remarks calling for the death of Jews, the destruction of their synagogues, the confiscation of their property?

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

The New Testament is, among other things, an anti-Semitic tract. It is the source of the anti-Semitism which has characterised Christianity for two millennia…

So what inspired anti Semitism before Christ?

Luke 23:28-29 gives the same point a more vicious twist, depicting Jesus telling weeping women he encounters on the Way of the Cross: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me but for yourselves and your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck!...'"

Seems to me Christ is speaking to those present, Jews, about the coming universal curse of socialism that despises the burden of children on sexual hedonists.

John's Gospel (8:44) has Jesus telling the Jews they are descended neither from God nor from Abraham but are children of the Devil…

Figurative speech should never be taken literally. Strange, that a non believer uses it to make his point. Well maybe not.

The early Fathers of the Church took inspiration from the Bible as they preached hatred of the Jews….

For the first three hundred years they are being thrown to the lions. Christians were hardly in a position to effect brutality on anyone. They preached against it. It was the pagans and Platonic, sexual hedonists who hated the Christians as they (the Christians) believed in Jewish law that set God above all. This irked the Platonists to no end as they thought the statist elites should have the final authority. This is the real anti Semitism.

Hitler didn't suck the idea of Jews wearing yellow badges out of his thumb. He took it from the Fourth Lateran Council of 1215.

The Nazi persecution can be seen as a practical expression of traditional Christian attitudes to Jews.

Actually, Hitler learned more from the Muslims. From the Turks he learned Genocide. From the Mufti of Jerusalem, he got spiritual support to kill the Jews.

But let's not allow a satisfying controversy obscure the fact that the founding text of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of Jews.

Ahh. This all sounds like babble from a failed socialist writer living in a pub.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"Individual Catholic clerics who opposed the Nazis' anti-Semitism were a tiny minority, totally unrepresentative. "

True.

[uncbob]

It is the source of the anti-Semitism which has characterised Christianity for two millennia.

This is what gauls me
As if any antisemitism in this coutry has to be because of what happened to Christ

A factor couldn't posssibly be that the majority of Jews are left wing liberals and in the forefront of attacking Christian traditions in this country

PLEASE NOTE I said MAJORITY not ALL

And I am an Agnostic

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

But let's not allow a satisfying controversy obscure the fact that the founding text of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of Jews.

The record disputes that.

20 Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.
21 The Lord's hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord.
22 News of this reached the ears of the church at Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch.
23 When he arrived and saw the evidence of the grace of God, he was glad and encouraged them all to remain true to the Lord with all their hearts.
24 He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a great number of people were brought to the Lord.
25 Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul,
26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
27 During this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch.
28 One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. (This happened during the reign of Claudius.)
29 The disciples, (this would be the ones in Antioch. Those horrible, mean Jew hating Gentile Christians) each according to his ability, decided to provide help for the brothers living in Judea. ( that would be JEWISH Christians)
30 This they did, sending their gift to the elders by Barnabas and Saul.
Acts 11:20-27

Oh the hate! I mean, what kind of evil bunch would take up a collection to feed their starving brethren? Shouldn’t they have, at the very least, left them to starve if not gone and snatched the food right out of their mouths?

[thoughtomator]

Christianity has come a long way since the Reformation. Christianity today is no longer a tool for brutality and persecution - the Christian world is civilized and can peacefully co-exist with its non-Christian neighbors. Now, besides Judaism, which other of the major world religions could truthfully make the same claim?

[Cboldt]

Unlike the Krauthammer article, I think the author of this article has more of a political agenda. Check the link in the message above ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092085/posts?page=88#88

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"The editor of the Nazi hate-sheet "Der Sturmer," Julius Streich, cited Martin Luther, reasonably, in a plea of justification at Nuremberg. "

True.

[Just mythoughts]

""Individual Catholic clerics who opposed the Nazis' anti-Semitism were a tiny minority, totally unrepresentative. "
True."


Your agenda is showing. I am not a Catholic, so I have no idea what you are talking about, not a Lutheran either....


I am Christian and it is Chirst you have a bone to pick with but you don't have the courage to take him on with his own WORDS. By the way you will have to start in Genesis, the beginning to take Christ on.

YOu know very well that we Christians are sinners, yet you also know that Christ never sinned.

YOU make the choice and nobody can force you to love Christ so do not fret or fear.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"But let's not allow a satisfying controversy obscure the fact that the founding text of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of Jews."

Disagree. It is a misreading and abuse of the texts, much of it by Christians, that have contributed in large measure to the persecttion of Jews.

[GunRunner]

Eamonn Mccann was part of the Bloody Sunday march in Belfast in 1972. He's been a well known Marxist ever since.

[Just mythoughts]

"But let's not allow a satisfying controversy obscure the fact that the founding text of Christianity is bloodily sodden with hatred of Jews."
Disagree. It is a misreading and abuse of the texts, much of it by Christians, that have contributed in large measure to the persecttion of Jews."

Then if the problem is misreading and abuse of the texts then why don't you spend your time in pointing out the misreadings and abuse from the original so then you can set us straight. Start in Genesis with that word "touch".