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1 posted on 02/18/2004 6:37:16 AM PST by presidio9
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Oh oh - it's R rated and violent. That's really an oddity among movies these days. Perhaps there should be an outcry? Perhaps Mr. Gibson should ignore the brutality of the originals and include more modern and subtle tones of recent Bible interpretation. Maybe a homosexual element or a mookish side-kick for the savior? Perhaps a happier ending? Or what if he has the board of Directors for the NRA replacing the Sanhedrin? Would these make the film more palatable?
2 posted on 02/18/2004 6:42:22 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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Yeah, this must be the latest DNC talking point on the matter; the (ahem) folks over at DU were decrying the violence yesterday of the movie and had plenty of posts mocking Jesus to boot.

Makes ya wonder when some folks protest so much...

3 posted on 02/18/2004 6:44:57 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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Based on everything I've seen written about the movie, it's not historically accurate, and probably overdone for dramatic effect. It sounds as if Gibson is picking up where "Braveheart" left off--with a nice, gruesome torture scene to get people's blood up--a pornography of violence, as it were. Other than being, like Wallace, a sympathetic victim, Jesus has very little to do with it.
4 posted on 02/18/2004 6:44:57 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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"As many were astonished at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men"
Isaiah 52:14

Kind of hard to soft peddle that.
8 posted on 02/18/2004 6:47:22 AM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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...it's an exercise in cinematic sadism...

It is truly shocking to see how much this movie is being smeared before it has even been released.

Somehow, a realistic portrayal of our Lord's suffering is "sadistic," but gore-fests like "Natural Born Killers" is high art. Should I expect any better from the media? Do you think we'll hear about the many people who will come to Christ through this film?

11 posted on 02/18/2004 6:48:34 AM PST by reegs
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This is a joke? The Soviet Socialist Left disturbed by graphic violence?

This has happened before. Can someone jog my memory?

Didn't Pat Robertson produce a video back in the 1980's based on Dante's Inferno that was banned from air on the (then) fledgling MTV, because it was "too violent"?

I have some vague memory of this.

Best regards,

12 posted on 02/18/2004 6:48:43 AM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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The reality is that is WAS brutal. Its not an "or" question.
14 posted on 02/18/2004 6:49:44 AM PST by smith288 (http://www.ejsmithweb.com/FR/JohnKerry/)
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Yeah, too violent.

But all should praise 'Kill Bill'.

17 posted on 02/18/2004 6:51:47 AM PST by freedomson (Baruch Habba B'Shem Adonai)
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Yeah, because in reality, lashings followed by crucifixion would be a relatively peaceful affair, with only minor discomfort and minimal bleeding. Why is Mel trying to portray it as something so unpleasant?

< /sarcasm>
18 posted on 02/18/2004 6:51:51 AM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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God demands punishment for sin. And since Jesus became sin, he was punished accordingly. I doubt this film will accurately portray the amount of punishment inflicted upon Christ. I'm sure it was much worse than the film displays.
22 posted on 02/18/2004 6:53:36 AM PST by TomServo ("What a day. I invented Gainesburgers and I didn't even mean to!")
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I think we ought to Freep this movie like a poll. I urge all to get out there and vote with your tickets.

The only people I've seen attacking this film are leftists. for that reason alone it would be worth supporting this movie.

Furthermore, A Christian relative of mine saw a screening at her church and said the movie is great. I'll take her opinion over numbnut leftists who hate Christianity any day.
26 posted on 02/18/2004 6:55:07 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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The media just CANNOT let this go...I want to know why. I can't imagine this movie being any more violent than 75% of the movies I saw last year. I'm seeing it next week, so I'll let you know!
28 posted on 02/18/2004 6:56:17 AM PST by Hildy
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I have no opinion.
29 posted on 02/18/2004 6:56:43 AM PST by Lazamataz (I know exactly what opinion I am permitted to have, and I am zealous -- nay, vociferous -- in it!!!)
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"It is as it was". That's what the Pope said.
30 posted on 02/18/2004 6:57:25 AM PST by latrans (free martha)
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Will folks buy a clue?? Jesus' death was NOT this pretty, "oh, spank me, you big, Roman guard, you!" nonsense! It was BLOODY, horrific and, yes, it was violent! Being beaten with a cat o'nine tails doesn't leave just bruises. Do these people read the Bible? There's violence throughout. Mankind does not have the best history in treating its fellow man with decency and kindness. We probably aren't getting treated to ALL of what happened to Christ and if this little bit offends folks, the whole truth would probably shatter them!
32 posted on 02/18/2004 6:57:54 AM PST by Sister_T (Democrats AND The Lamestream Press are the REAL enemies to freedom in the world!)
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Does anyone else have the same reaction to this film that I have? I'm very anxious to see it despite knowing I'll be a weeping, sorrowful mess by the end of the film.
36 posted on 02/18/2004 6:59:24 AM PST by reegs
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This is very odd. The article is centered on the notion of bringing kids to see the movie, when Gibson has recommended children not see it.

42 posted on 02/18/2004 7:01:15 AM PST by cyncooper
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"Dr. Alan Hilfer, a child psychologist..."

in a quick scan mode - I read it as Dr. Adolf Hitler
Sorry...

51 posted on 02/18/2004 7:11:46 AM PST by traumer (Even paranoids have enemies)
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I still have no opinion.
53 posted on 02/18/2004 7:14:38 AM PST by Lazamataz (I know exactly what opinion I am permitted to have, and I am zealous -- nay, vociferous -- in it!!!)
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"The man was bent over and had his wrists lashed to his ankles so that his back was fully exposed."

"The scourging was administered by two men. One man was taller than the other. The shorter of the two was more brutal with his lashes. The taller man was somewhat hesistant in his lashes."

"There was not one inch of skin left unscathed on the man's back and buttocks. Several spots on his back were opened to the bone. The lashes wrapped around the body onto the chest area. However, as was customary with the Romans when administering a scourging, the area around the heart suffered no trauma. The penalty for a Roman soldier accidently killing a prisoner by scourging before the prisoner could be crucified was to take that prisoner's place on the cross."

"He was taken prisoner while he was saying his prayers."

"There was evidence of a "cap" of thorns not placed on his head but jammed down into the scalp and forehead as if it was put on his head and then hit into place with either a board or the flat portion of a sword."

Paul Bromley explaining the findings of the group that examined the Shroud of Turin, speaking to a church group in 1982.

54 posted on 02/18/2004 7:15:30 AM PST by N. Theknow (John Kerry is nothing more than Ted Kennedy without a dead girl in the car.)
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