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NY Daily News ^ | February 18, 2004 | TAMER EL-GHOBASHY and CORKY SIEMASZKO

Posted on 02/18/2004 6:37:16 AM PST by presidio9

Mel Gibson's controversial new movie "The Passion of the Christ" was igniting plenty of passion yesterday - even though opening night was still a week away. First Lady Laura Bush said she was looking forward to watching the R-rated film about the Crucifixion of Christ.

"I think it sounds very interesting, and I'd like to see it," the First Lady told reporters while visiting a high school in Bentonville, Ark.

But lots of others weren't so sure.

Gibson's story of the torture of Christ isn't just brutal, it's an exercise in cinematic sadism that opens on Ash Wednesday (Feb. 25) at 18 theaters across the city and 2,000 more throughout the country.

And that left many New Yorkers interviewed by the Daily News wondering whether the one-time "Lethal Weapon" star took the violence too far in his portrayal of "The Passion of the Christ."

They joined a chorus of other critics who fear the movie unfairly scapegoats Jews and who accuse Gibson of straying from the Gospels.

For many parents - even churchgoing parents who don't quibble with Gibson's interpretation of the Gospels - the violence might be too much for their kids.

"I don't think my children would get it," said Debbie Sparber, 45, of Manhattan, a Christian whose kids are 12 and 9. "They'd misunderstand what they're seeing."

Richard D'Alessandro, 45, a Manhattan-based actor who has appeared on violent shows like "The Sopranos," said there's no way he'll take his 9-year-old, Giancarlo, to the film.

"Violence is violence, no matter what the subject matter," said D'Alessandro, who is a Catholic. "For whatever religious value this film may have, the violence makes it out of the question."

Despite the blood and gore, many religious groups such as the New York-based Catholic League have already prepurchased thousands of tickets - virtually assuring Gibson will recoup the $25 million he sank into making the movie.

That Gibson's "Passion" is expected to do boffo at the box office is all the more remarkable because six months ago he was struggling to find a distributor.

True believers like Jurema Farr, 41, of Sparta, N.J., said Gibson's recounting of Christ's last 12 hours alive is something her three kids need to see - even if it sickens them.

"They need to know and learn about what happened to Jesus Christ," said Farr, her 8-year-old, Ulysees, and 6-year-old, Orion, in tow. "You have to show your kids the truth, even if it's violent."

Dr. Alan Hilfer, a child psychologist at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, disagreed. He said kids that age aren't ready for that kind of graphic violence.

"I have seen some of the clips, and it was pretty gruesome," he said. "This is not cartoon violence."

But Manhattan psychiatrist Wayne Myers said "kids from religious families are already programmed to believe in this, and their parents will explain this as this is our Lord suffering."

In an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, Gibson admitted he pumped up the violence because he wanted to push the viewer "over the edge." He said he wanted viewers to feel "the enormity of Christ's sacrifice."

Gibson also denied the movie is anti-Semitic, but has resisted requests by Jewish groups to add a postscript to the movie reminding viewers that it was the Romans, not the Jews, who ultimately crucified Christ.

Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League asked Pope John Paul yesterday to tell his flock that Gibson's controversial movie is not the gospel truth.

"It's Mel Gibson's version of the Gospel, it's Mel's gospel," he said.

Joseph Starrs of American Life League's Crusade for the Defense of our Catholic Church, said Gibson is true to the New Testament.

"This film is many things, but it is not anti-Semitic," he said. "If this film were, then the Gospel itself must be, because it is on this indisputable truth of the Gospels that the movie is based."


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1 posted on 02/18/2004 6:37:16 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Oh oh - it's R rated and violent. That's really an oddity among movies these days. Perhaps there should be an outcry? Perhaps Mr. Gibson should ignore the brutality of the originals and include more modern and subtle tones of recent Bible interpretation. Maybe a homosexual element or a mookish side-kick for the savior? Perhaps a happier ending? Or what if he has the board of Directors for the NRA replacing the Sanhedrin? Would these make the film more palatable?
2 posted on 02/18/2004 6:42:22 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: presidio9
Yeah, this must be the latest DNC talking point on the matter; the (ahem) folks over at DU were decrying the violence yesterday of the movie and had plenty of posts mocking Jesus to boot.

Makes ya wonder when some folks protest so much...

3 posted on 02/18/2004 6:44:57 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: presidio9
Based on everything I've seen written about the movie, it's not historically accurate, and probably overdone for dramatic effect. It sounds as if Gibson is picking up where "Braveheart" left off--with a nice, gruesome torture scene to get people's blood up--a pornography of violence, as it were. Other than being, like Wallace, a sympathetic victim, Jesus has very little to do with it.
4 posted on 02/18/2004 6:44:57 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Agnes Heep
What exactly have you written about the movie?

It think it's supposed to make you cringe, the Romans would have it no other way, correct?

5 posted on 02/18/2004 6:46:34 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: Agnes Heep
And your assessment is based on what? Those who have actually seen the movie and are well versed in the Gospels say it is quite faithful to the Scriptures. Just whom are you parroting when you offer your opinion?
6 posted on 02/18/2004 6:47:02 AM PST by twntaipan (Liberalism: The Rot on the Dung Heap of Humanity)
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To: Sam's Army
Make that "seen written"
7 posted on 02/18/2004 6:47:15 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: presidio9
"As many were astonished at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men"
Isaiah 52:14

Kind of hard to soft peddle that.
8 posted on 02/18/2004 6:47:22 AM PST by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Agnes Heep
Based on everything I've seen written about the movie, it's not historically accurate, and probably overdone for dramatic effect.

Just goes to show that you can't believe what you read in the press.

9 posted on 02/18/2004 6:47:42 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Agnes Heep
Based on everything I've seen written about the movie

That's the problem the people writing about the movie are predominently leftists out to destroy anything Christian, using any means necessary.

10 posted on 02/18/2004 6:48:00 AM PST by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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To: presidio9
...it's an exercise in cinematic sadism...

It is truly shocking to see how much this movie is being smeared before it has even been released.

Somehow, a realistic portrayal of our Lord's suffering is "sadistic," but gore-fests like "Natural Born Killers" is high art. Should I expect any better from the media? Do you think we'll hear about the many people who will come to Christ through this film?

11 posted on 02/18/2004 6:48:34 AM PST by reegs
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To: presidio9
This is a joke? The Soviet Socialist Left disturbed by graphic violence?

This has happened before. Can someone jog my memory?

Didn't Pat Robertson produce a video back in the 1980's based on Dante's Inferno that was banned from air on the (then) fledgling MTV, because it was "too violent"?

I have some vague memory of this.

Best regards,

12 posted on 02/18/2004 6:48:43 AM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Agnes Heep
"It sounds as if Gibson is picking up where "Braveheart" left off"

That's one of the most unreal statements I've ever read, with all due respect.

13 posted on 02/18/2004 6:49:28 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: presidio9
The reality is that is WAS brutal. Its not an "or" question.
14 posted on 02/18/2004 6:49:44 AM PST by smith288 (http://www.ejsmithweb.com/FR/JohnKerry/)
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To: AD from SpringBay
Here's an interensting article on the ADL and why they seem to have such a problem with this movie

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0601/pearlston.asp

15 posted on 02/18/2004 6:50:04 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Cubs Fan
And the so-called biblical experts those ant-Christ articles quote are liberal in every sense of the word. The begin with an agenda, cut and paste the most attested document of antiquity as they like, and then declare this movie not historically accurate.
16 posted on 02/18/2004 6:51:40 AM PST by twntaipan (Liberalism: The Rot on the Dung Heap of Humanity)
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To: presidio9
Yeah, too violent.

But all should praise 'Kill Bill'.

17 posted on 02/18/2004 6:51:47 AM PST by freedomson (Baruch Habba B'Shem Adonai)
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To: presidio9
Yeah, because in reality, lashings followed by crucifixion would be a relatively peaceful affair, with only minor discomfort and minimal bleeding. Why is Mel trying to portray it as something so unpleasant?

< /sarcasm>
18 posted on 02/18/2004 6:51:51 AM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: twntaipan
Just whom are you parroting when you offer your opinion?

You could ask yourself the same question and see how it sounds. She offered her opinion.

19 posted on 02/18/2004 6:53:12 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: smith288
Another reality is that the Romans did the same to about another 250000 or so people.
20 posted on 02/18/2004 6:53:16 AM PST by stuartcr
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