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NY Daily News ^ | February 18, 2004 | TAMER EL-GHOBASHY and CORKY SIEMASZKO

Posted on 02/18/2004 6:37:16 AM PST by presidio9

Mel Gibson's controversial new movie "The Passion of the Christ" was igniting plenty of passion yesterday - even though opening night was still a week away. First Lady Laura Bush said she was looking forward to watching the R-rated film about the Crucifixion of Christ.

"I think it sounds very interesting, and I'd like to see it," the First Lady told reporters while visiting a high school in Bentonville, Ark.

But lots of others weren't so sure.

Gibson's story of the torture of Christ isn't just brutal, it's an exercise in cinematic sadism that opens on Ash Wednesday (Feb. 25) at 18 theaters across the city and 2,000 more throughout the country.

And that left many New Yorkers interviewed by the Daily News wondering whether the one-time "Lethal Weapon" star took the violence too far in his portrayal of "The Passion of the Christ."

They joined a chorus of other critics who fear the movie unfairly scapegoats Jews and who accuse Gibson of straying from the Gospels.

For many parents - even churchgoing parents who don't quibble with Gibson's interpretation of the Gospels - the violence might be too much for their kids.

"I don't think my children would get it," said Debbie Sparber, 45, of Manhattan, a Christian whose kids are 12 and 9. "They'd misunderstand what they're seeing."

Richard D'Alessandro, 45, a Manhattan-based actor who has appeared on violent shows like "The Sopranos," said there's no way he'll take his 9-year-old, Giancarlo, to the film.

"Violence is violence, no matter what the subject matter," said D'Alessandro, who is a Catholic. "For whatever religious value this film may have, the violence makes it out of the question."

Despite the blood and gore, many religious groups such as the New York-based Catholic League have already prepurchased thousands of tickets - virtually assuring Gibson will recoup the $25 million he sank into making the movie.

That Gibson's "Passion" is expected to do boffo at the box office is all the more remarkable because six months ago he was struggling to find a distributor.

True believers like Jurema Farr, 41, of Sparta, N.J., said Gibson's recounting of Christ's last 12 hours alive is something her three kids need to see - even if it sickens them.

"They need to know and learn about what happened to Jesus Christ," said Farr, her 8-year-old, Ulysees, and 6-year-old, Orion, in tow. "You have to show your kids the truth, even if it's violent."

Dr. Alan Hilfer, a child psychologist at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, disagreed. He said kids that age aren't ready for that kind of graphic violence.

"I have seen some of the clips, and it was pretty gruesome," he said. "This is not cartoon violence."

But Manhattan psychiatrist Wayne Myers said "kids from religious families are already programmed to believe in this, and their parents will explain this as this is our Lord suffering."

In an interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, Gibson admitted he pumped up the violence because he wanted to push the viewer "over the edge." He said he wanted viewers to feel "the enormity of Christ's sacrifice."

Gibson also denied the movie is anti-Semitic, but has resisted requests by Jewish groups to add a postscript to the movie reminding viewers that it was the Romans, not the Jews, who ultimately crucified Christ.

Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League asked Pope John Paul yesterday to tell his flock that Gibson's controversial movie is not the gospel truth.

"It's Mel Gibson's version of the Gospel, it's Mel's gospel," he said.

Joseph Starrs of American Life League's Crusade for the Defense of our Catholic Church, said Gibson is true to the New Testament.

"This film is many things, but it is not anti-Semitic," he said. "If this film were, then the Gospel itself must be, because it is on this indisputable truth of the Gospels that the movie is based."


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To: Lazamataz
Headline:

FREEPER FAILS TO DENY HAVING AN OPINION
Poster Grows Defensive As Questions About Past Opinions Mount

101 posted on 02/18/2004 7:49:30 AM PST by general_re (Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.)
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To: Lazamataz; general_re
Yes, sir, you don't deny the FACT that you have no opinon at this time? < flash bulbs going off >
102 posted on 02/18/2004 7:49:44 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: sarasota
As will I, the only other movies that did that to me was "Saving Private Ryan" and "Schindler's List".
103 posted on 02/18/2004 7:50:11 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: LisaMalia
I'd listen to my cat....

Of course. My cats always tell the truth.

"Meow" = feed me.

"Mew" = let me out.

"Meeow" = stupid human, I suppose I must SHOW you what I want.

104 posted on 02/18/2004 7:50:24 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Skooz
Correct.
105 posted on 02/18/2004 7:50:33 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: presidio9
You are starting something here...making me laugh.

Hey at least you reached double, almost triple digit posts. Not a bad start for a Wednesday.

Love the "Keyword". I think I'll add a few myself :)

106 posted on 02/18/2004 7:51:15 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: FourtySeven; Lazamataz
(pop, pop) "My sources tell me that you've had literally thousands of opinions in the past, sir. The public has a right to know where you stand on this critical issue..."
107 posted on 02/18/2004 7:51:59 AM PST by general_re (Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.)
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To: Sam's Army
I couldn't even get through Pvt. Ryan. Schindler's list haunts me still. Generosity of spirit towards others...
108 posted on 02/18/2004 7:53:26 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Lazamataz; Skooz; Admin Moderator
I am thinking about changing my name to "King of Chat."

I think "Chatty Cathy" is already taken.

There no longer seems to be rhyme or reason for what gets moved to the outland. If its got my name on it, its fair game.
109 posted on 02/18/2004 7:53:33 AM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGHTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: Explorer89
I heard yesterday that Mel Gibson makes his only on-screen appearance as the guy that nails Jesus to the cross

Actually, from what I've heard, it's only Mel's hands we see holding the spike hammered into Jesus' hands and feet. I don't think Mel wanted to receive recognition for any acting role that is in the movie. I could be wrong, but I don't think Mel does a "cameo" other than the filming of his hands/arms.
110 posted on 02/18/2004 7:54:04 AM PST by Texas2step
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To: general_re
FREEPER FAILS TO DENY HAVING AN OPINION
Poster Grows Defensive As Questions About Past Opinions Mount

Look, this is just mudslinging and dirty politics by my opponent. I have no opinion, I never have had an opinion, and with any luck, I never will have an opinion. The rest of these questions should be directed at my lawyer.

111 posted on 02/18/2004 7:54:33 AM PST by Lazamataz (I have no opinion.)
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To: presidio9
Anyone know why threads based on media articles about the Passion are moved to chat?

I thought chat was for free flowing discussion, not based on any specific article. Just curious.
112 posted on 02/18/2004 7:55:28 AM PST by Texas2step
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To: Lazamataz
Look, I'm not on trial here.

No, but you could be.

113 posted on 02/18/2004 7:55:41 AM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGHTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: pgkdan
I don't know if anyone can answer that, but it may be safe to assume more than just one...especially if they were considered a threat to the current administration..like claiming to be a king or something similar.
114 posted on 02/18/2004 7:55:48 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: reegs
>It is truly shocking to see how much this movie is being >smeared before it has even been released.

This lets me know that it is right on track.
115 posted on 02/18/2004 7:56:08 AM PST by sandbar
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To: Skooz
"If anyone were as intelligent, erudite and learned as you presume to be, their head would explode."

(The sound of Dr Pepper hitting the computer screen followed by choking laughter...)

116 posted on 02/18/2004 7:56:09 AM PST by Sam's Army (MTV: Get off the Air!)
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To: All
Still waiting for the cries of slander from Italians. How dare Gibson protray the Roman Empire as a violent regime!

Question, should the Jewish people of Jesus's day embrace the outright extreme legalism, suck ups to the Romans and corruption that permeated the Pharisees and Sadducees? I bet the ADL would be worshiping at their feets. Jesus just shook things up.

I guess they can't back the killer of their golden goose. To protray an actual cruxifition, not some made for tv presentation, just turns their guilt of what the forfathers handywork did to Jesus.
117 posted on 02/18/2004 7:56:51 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Lazamataz
I have an opinion about this sentence of death-by-chat.

Unless you speak out against injustice wherever it is seen, you run the risk of becoming its next victim.

They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

118 posted on 02/18/2004 7:57:35 AM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGHTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: general_re
(pop, pop) "My sources tell me that you've had literally thousands of opinions in the past, sir. The public has a right to know where you stand on this critical issue..."

Look, there is no controlling legal authority. Everyone does it. You are just being partisan. It's my private life. Anyways, the stock market is doing well. It's a risky prosecution scheme. We should just put this past us.

119 posted on 02/18/2004 7:58:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (I have no opinion.)
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To: bereanway
That point is where the belief is required. The fact that these things happened, and the timeline are verifiable....the reasoning is not.
120 posted on 02/18/2004 7:58:22 AM PST by stuartcr
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