Packers fire defensive coordinator

JSOnline ^ | 01/11/04 | self

[brewcrew]

Five days after the Packers bowed out of the playoffs in frustrating fashion, Ed Donatell was fired as the team's defensive coordinator. Tight ends coach Jeff Jagodzinski was also let go. Story to come

[jaugust]

Saw Kordell play when da Bears were at Lambeau and it still does amaze me how he mangaed to stay in the league at QB all these years. He would have flashes of brilliance at times, which I suppose kept the Steelers on the winning side. But I always thought that the one thing which really hurt Pittsburg was losing Neil O'Donnell after SB XXX. One might have seen a Steelers-Packers SB instead. Two old NFL teams locked head to head. That would have been great regardless of the outcome.

[discostu]

Got any facts to prove a single thing you've said today? Name three other key plays Simon did anything useful on. Explain why Kordell Stewart who averages three INTs a game isn't a bad QB. Show where I said there was a fix in the game. Show where I said the Eagles D was shredded. Go ahead. I dare you.

unless you can defend those positions you will remain an obvious idiot and a liar.

[Stentor]

The question of the week. ( after the game ) Why did Kasay have two s**t hemmorrhages while kicking against the Eagles. I'm doing my I-95 howler dance. Kasay wiiide left.

[Libertarian4Bush]

the league is NOT dominated by defense... more teams have set franchise scoring records in the last five years than any other five-year period since the merger.

it's easy to say now that stewart, collins, warner, and dilfer are bad QBs, but take a look at their numbers from those seasons... or better yet, talk to the defenses they scorched. bad QBs don't win NFC title games 41-0.

just like all we hear about is how pass-happy the league is, yet rushing records are getting broken or threatened every season. jamal lewis, priest holmes, very recently terrell davis, marshall faulk, edgerrin james...

donovan mcnabb is a very good qb with the potential to be a great qb, and above all he's a winner. apologies to the 50-60% of participants here who can't deal with the fact that he's black. it was rush's fight that rush picked. mcnabb didn't start it and wanted no part of it. so get over it.

[discostu]

Stewart made it in Pitt because it's a running team that had a great run defense (1st or 2nd in the league against the run every season Stewart was there, it's easy to keep the other team on their heals when they can run). I still curse O'Donnell and wish him nothing but pain, he only hit one guy on the numbers all day and that guy was wearing the wrong uniform... and O'Donnell hit him on the numbers TWICE. That SB game was painful, we still came close to winning which again shows how Pitt kept going on Stewart's reign of terror.

[Zack Nguyen]

The injuries speak for themselves. It's great to have a playmaker when all else fails, but that playmaking obviously becomes useless if the playmaker is sitting on the bench.

This is true. QB's whose running is their best (or only) quality just don't win Super Bowls. Runners (like Staubach, Elway or Bradshaw) eventually have to settle down and become pocket passers. They use their running ability to be elusive if the pocket breaks down. But they don't just take off at the slightest provocation.

Michael Vick is a phenomenon. He's like Deion Sanders throwing the ball. If anyone could run their team to victory, it's him. But I predict even he'll have to become a pocket passer before its all said and done.

[Libertarian4Bush]

Explain why Kordell Stewart who averages three INTs a game isn't a bad QB.

Career - 122 games, 84 INT. You're a moron or a nitwit. Pick one.

Show where I said the Eagles D was shredded.

riiiiiight, saying that the packers ran "over and over for huge gains" and got "90%" of their yard through simon's spot didn't imply any such thing.

Show where I said there was a fix in the game.

oops, I must have mixed you up with the rest of the losers in this one. definition of a good chrous, I couldn't effectively pick you out of the crowd.

now get back to work on that bridge so you can get over it.

[discostu]

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man you're rich. Number one defense in the league goes to the SB to face the number one offense in the league. Number 1 defense in the league WON hands down. After dispatching the miserable Viking in a 41-0 romp (which included 3 TDs from parts of the team not the offense BTW) the Giants went on to face the number one defense in the league and... that's right got their butts handed to them on a plater.

The league is pass whacky, and you should be thankful. Passing on two run downs in the 3rd quarter cost GB the game last week.

Donovan McNabb is a pretty good QB that scrambles well and will not be a great QB. I don't give a damn what color he is, very good QBs don't average 1 TD a game and .75 INTs a game.

[Lando Lincoln]

Football is full of interesting stats which help fans argue over which team or player is better, or who has an advantage going into a big game or whatever. Well, I just uncovered an interesting statistic that you may be interested in.

49 of your last 50 posts have involved Brett Favre or the Packers - even the one post on a McNabb thread. Most of them involve words or phrases such as: loser, drug addict, biased, dumb, stupid, idiot, what a joke, licking the boots of, etc.

Now, what do you think an unbiased analysis of these stats would indicate.

Again, I will say I don't understand your hostility. Your team won, fair and square. You like McNabb. That's fair also. I, and others on this thread happen to like the Favre and the Packers. We came to this thread because it is about a coaching change for our favorite team. Some are just here because they appreciate football. I suggest to you that is fair also. You seem to be here for one thing...to foul the air. Re-read your posts..... all passive aggression and hostility. A Packer thread !! .... And you don't even LIKE them! I honestly and sincerely hope you find something other than insulting people to make you happy.

Lando

[jaugust]

Very true, and even in spite of what he did to us last year I like Michael Vick. When a player makes you pull your hair out (like McNabb did to us last week) then he's doing something right and deserves a modicum of respect.

[jaugust]

Let me predict LB4's next post:!@#$%^&*!!!!!

[Zack Nguyen]

Yes, plus he's great in Madden 2004!

I can't figure McNabb out. He runs well. As for his passing skills, he definitely has them put he's not shockingly good, like Kurt Warner was or Manning is. His QB rating was only 79 this year, if I'm not mistaken. But he seems to get the job done.

[discostu]

It's called hyperbole. The numbers you brought up clearly show that Kordell is a BAD QB who has made it multiple time to the conference championship. And if you've ever watched him you know he does throw his INTs in threes (if he throws one in a game he WILL throw two more, garaunteed), he just manages to skip games once in a while.

They did run to the same side for huge gains multiple times. McNabb ran up the middle for huge gains multiple times. doesn't mean either defense got shredded.

Ooops, you got caught lying and aren't man enough to admit it. Definition of a bad liar is someone that blames the person that caught them. If you were a man and worht a crap you'd apologize for the lie you got caught in.

There's nothing to get over, you are a liar. You have been caught in a lie. You are not man enough to admit it or apologize. That makes you a sad pathetic liar. The person here that needs to get over something is the sad pathetic liar who shames himself and this board with his sad pathetic lies.

[jaugust]

LOL!! And that ain't no email address...

[Libertarian4Bush]

Number 1 defense in the league WON hands down.

how about Rams/Titans? Or the two Denver wins?

very good QBs don't average 1 TD a game and .75 INTs a game

Career - 87 TD, 49 INT
After rookie season - 79 TD, 42 INT

That's hardly 4/3.

The league is pass whacky, and you should be thankful. Passing on two run downs in the 3rd quarter cost GB the game last week.

yeah, because that pass whacky league must have sent mike sherman a memo telling him to pass it.

[Lando Lincoln]

That 4th and 1 at the end of the half has been widely blamed on Wahle not getting his push. But, it was Mark Tauscher who missed the play - it was designed for Tauscher to get a kick-out block on Simon - and he fired off the line late. Wahle tried reacting but had no power to push Simon back. Wahle was supposed to take on any linebacker or safety hitting the gap. That blown play was significant in Sherman deciding to punt late in the game - 4th and 1 at the 40.

Lando

[jaugust]

And that is what some would argue; he gets the job done. And he also had one fumble in the game. But in the end it didn't cost them. He's strong and durable but time will tell if getting hit a lot like he did last week will take its toll over the years. For all the runninig he did would you think that maybe it's indicative of a larger problem say, receivers not getting open or a mediocre offensive line forcing McNabb into a situation where he would have to take off running?

[Libertarian4Bush]

It's called hyperbole.

no, what you did is called exaggerating. FOUR-fold. since you're such a genius foobtall analyst, I have no choice but to conclude that your misrepresentation was deliberate.

They did run to the same side for huge gains multiple times.

but not to the same SPOT. nor the same PLAY. may I recommend "my football book" by Gail Gibbons?

There's nothing to get over, you are a liar. You have been caught in a lie. You are not man enough to admit it or apologize. That makes you a sad pathetic liar. The person here that needs to get over something is the sad pathetic liar who shames himself and this board with his sad pathetic lies.

keep saying it again and again and maybe someday the same divine intervention that was gonna beat the eagles will come make it true for you, loser.

corey simon rocked whale's world. sorry you didn't like the outcome, those of us in philly are a bit less spoiled than the packer fans. apparently y'all have a lot to learn in the area of disappointment. and don't give me "I'm not a packer fan!" it's an idiotic attempt at looking objective when you're far, far from it.

[discostu]

How about that Rams/ Titans game. Rams had a good defense to backup their offense (unlike the Rams since then who's defense has blown), and it's a good thing too because without that defense the Titans tie the game instead of getting stopped one yard short.

McNabb this season: 16 TDs, 11 INTs. And this is being hailed as his breakout year that banished all the demons.

Or maybe because Sherman is a symptom of the problem. Every coach at some point this year called passes when they should have called runs. Look at the Pats great defensive stand in the regular season against the Colts, Pats went pass whacky with lots of incompletions that stopped the clock; if they'd run it 3 times on that last possession and killed the clock the Colts never get near the endzone and the miracle stand never happens. It's a pass whacky league.

[Libertarian4Bush]

Wahle was supposed to take on any linebacker or safety hitting the gap. That blown play was significant in Sherman deciding to punt late in the game - 4th and 1 at the 40.

speaking of linebackers hitting the gap, simoneau had a TERRIBLE game. I've been thinking about that last 4th-down call a lot, and how much the failure on the first 4th-and-1 had to do with the call. I think the choice to punt IS defensible, considering the eagles' offense had done very little in the last 25+ minutes of game time. and, while the "in the grasp" call was nonsense, the packers DID force 4th-and-26.

I don't think Sherman's call was any more questionable than, say, Reid's slot screen on 2nd-and-1, which set off a terrible chain of events.

good to see a packer fan who actually watched the game!