Terri Schiavo: Hitler's Latest Victim?

[trussell]

Terri power ping!!

[pc93]

It goes without saying you can count me in. I'll be fightin for Terri so that she can get the rehabilitation and be back with her parents and siblings. Please get everyone you can involved. Novel ideas are welcome. Please act! There is a concept of culture jamming that needs to be implemented, whatever it takes, let us get the message out. The bigger the audience you can reach the better.
Onwards!

[TheSpottedOwl]

Ping for Terri!

Good post, russ!

[AppauledAtAppeasementConservat]

Thanks for the post on Terri's behalf. I support her 100%. Frankly I wonder why she hasn't been smuggled into another country that can protect her better and give her the care she needs.

It comes to no surprise to me that if people can suck the brains out of living feeling children then why not old people and the disabled as well.

I personally wrote Govenor Bush on this right before they pulled her feeding tube. I am glad he acted and continues to act on behalf of the defensless. Starvation is a cruel death. What's next Christians? It sure seems like it.

[Robert Drobot]

Launched on October 19, 2003, russesjunjee cometh to do the hashed over Hitler comparison thing. Seems like its been done a half-dozen times since Terri threads started appearing on FR. YET, on the positive side, it is very worthy to regurgitate the connection a thousand times.

If I appear cynical at the moment, it's because I am. I just got hit-on again ( the third time ) by a combination Alan Keyes and Randall Terry email solicitation for a contribution for "saving Terri".

There's been a kind-of re-write of the original twice sent email fundraiser pitch. This time they acknowledge there has been and is now considerable activity by 'others' to 'save' Terri - without naming any org or individual effort. Further, after writing how Terry says he "....saved Terri....", he's included the caveat : "....(for now)....".

I am particularly offended that Johnny-come-lately claptrappers spout ideas and or actions in a fashion that would give the casual apathetic moronic nincompoop American Citizen the impression that an idea is novel or a public relations photo-op produced any change in the death sentence hanging over Terri. It did not, and novelity slants on how to bribe America into doing something for the protection of own kin ceased moons ago.

This quote comes to mind :

"If you believe everything you read, you better not read." -- Japanese Proverb

Venting exhausted. ;^)

[windchime]

Bump!

[russesjunjee]

I understand the fact that you are feeling a little worn out with Terri's situation. After all, its been going on for more than thirteen years. Its all a little overwhelming, but I'm just me...One Freeper who is worried about a fellow American.

Try not to think bad things about Terri because of the things you may see the rest of do. Most of Terri's supporters are just average citizens like myself, so we are going to make mistakes, like too much Hitler for example...LOL

Junj

[pc93]

I went into virtual worlds fighting for Terri. Someone put up my Terri banner right away. Very cool.

Join the Terri Schindler Life Ribbon Campaign!

[Robert Drobot]

Re-read my post to you, presuming you know how to read.

In brief, I took exception to the creation of this thread. It is IMO a frivolous abuse of band width.

I noted that you have either failed to read the threads on this subject, ( at worst you gleaned from them to bring attention to yourself through a worthless narsarsistic rant). About mid-way through my post I decided your immaturity may have accounted for your disrespect, so I included the comment about regurgitating the Hitler thing a thousand times would be worth it.

But then you did a nincompoop classic with condescending comments. Without any foundation in fact, you declare I'm "....a little worn out with Terri's situation...." (?????), and then you dare insult me with "...Try not to think bad things about Terri....".

Using time as a measure of commitment to Terri Schiavo, O have contributed more time to Terri threads than you have accumulated in your time as a member of FreeRepublic.com. In plain English, you a two big for your britches. IMHO you're so busy looking in the mirror to grasp the meaning of reality. Learn to read, listen and from understanding know what in hell your writing about before you put a pen to paper.

A word of advise should you decide you would like to remain a FR member: measure your words very carefully.

In this medium, you are what you write. There's no other way to measure you.

Admin Moderator, please properly label this a 'vanity' thread.

[Robert Drobot]

Edit:

[I] have contributed more time to Terri threads than you have accumulated in your time as a member of FreeRepublic.com. In plain English, you [are] [too] big for your britches.

[FR_addict]

I think your post has a lot of merit. When you look at what was going on during Hitler's reign, Terri's case is a perfect example of incremental changes to the laws guiding society.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have believed partial birth abortions would be allowed in this country and I never believed that feeding someone or giving them water would be considered extraordinary means of life support. Evidently, starving and dehydrating someone to death is not allowed in some states.

[russesjunjee]

You have just said the magic word: "incremental"

That's exactly how we have come to this point. The bad guys have pushed this or that past us while we were looking the other way. I had never even heard of partial birth abortion until it was too late, and that’s exactly how Hitler got the best of his people too. He just kind of snuck up on them.

Terri was my eye opener. I just hope everyone else in America gets one before its too late for our nation.

Junj

[russesjunjee]

You know? Considering how rude your original reply to my post was I think mine was very polite. I never accused you of having bad thoughts about Terri. I just simply asked you to no look negatively towards Terri due to any mistakes her supporters might make.

I just can't see how you got yourself so worked up about it. So, I am going to assume that your are here simply to be a combatant rather than a discusser.

You spoke of wasting bandwidth. These last three communications between you and I have been nothing more than a huge waste of time and bandwidth. If you would like to discuss a topic, rather than rant and rave about it I will be glad to spend some time with you, but if you just wish to play the “Look everybody I’m offended game” you can count me out.

Junj

[msmagoo]

Great post, vanity or not. You write very well. It's been said anyone who brings up Nazis or Hitler loses the debate, but in the Schaivo case, with its strong connections to euthanasia and obviously, willful killing of the less perfect, I don't see how the comparison can be avoided.

Nat Hentoff did an excellent piece on the origins of the holocaust and the acceptance of eugenics in this country early in the last century. It seems that as time passes, we forget too quickly the horrors of these programmes. In the Netherlands today, euthanasia is legal. Elderly people are being killed by doctors who do not take the patient's wishes into consideration. Incrementally, we are being introduced to the concept of killing anyone deemed unworthy in some way. Today, feeding tubes. Tomorrow, it could be any reason, or no reason at all.

[russesjunjee]

Thank you so much for your kind words. I met a lady from the Netherlands at Terri's vigil. She is currently educating me on the euthanasia situation there. Whats going on there is a horror. I just don't think I can stand it if that happens to America.

Junj

[msmagoo]

I do not understand how euthansia could happen in Holland, only a generation after the Holocaust. What were they thinking? If it could happen there, it could happen here. It creeps up on the unsuspecting public and BAM it's too late. We need people from the Netherlands speaking out here, about what is going on there. We need the truth to be told!

[russesjunjee]

I am digging deep into the Netherlands situation right now, but they have really covered it up well. I have a person from the Netherlands helping me right now, and I am in the process of designing a web site to expose this stuff. I think the reason people fall for euthanasia is that they have just lost hope and faith in the world, and they are continually surrounded by a culture of death. It just seems natural to them.

If any of you have any links to euthanasia information I would love to have them.

Junj

[msmagoo]

Sent by email:

Dear Sirs and Madams,

How very ironic that in a state where so many are elderly, and so some (if not many) remember the atrocities of WWII perpetrated by Nazi Germany and Imperialistic Japan that they do not seem to be able to apply what that generation should have learned to the current legal affair of Terry Schiavo.

Let me see if I can jar some memories, and perhaps educate those too young to remember those times.

In 1933 Hitler came to power. Immediately (and contrary to what many Americans believe was not known by our country until after WWII) a wireless dispatch was sent to the august New York Times from Berlin. On October 22, 1933 a physician named Dr. Haven Emerson wrote about the wireless from the German Ministry of Justice that told authorities “to end the suffering of incurable patients.” The wireless went on to state that “From now on families in which there is tuberculosis, cancer or other serious disease are not likely to receive the extra help formerly given to them. Even the regular aid to them may be cut.”

That was a misstatement to say the least. After WWII it became better known that the disabled were the first to be sterilized, and then euthanized. It started first with newborn infants, then went to children placed into
hospitals or who were in residential schools for the deaf and blind, then by 1939 Hitler extended the ‘right to be euthanized” to adults. By this time, the German people themselves started to be actively perturbed by the deaths
of their loved ones who were placed in institutions for health care, and Hitler had to back off. But in secret he continued the notorious T-4 program for all ages, even for decorated veterans of WWI.

Terry Schiavo’s fifteen year existence in the state she is now and the battle for her life should be jogging a few memories of the atrocities of the Third Reich. Another approximately 2 million people lost their lives that were not counted originally when the death camps were exposed in 1945.

These people were killed originally in hospitals, by the very people who were supposed to be caring for them.

I am not a ‘religious fanatic.’ I am a wife, a mother, a doctoral student with an MS in Neuroscience from the University of Pittsburgh Medical School, where I worked on neurons and learned all about the brain, trauma to the
brain from injury and oxygen starvation, and vegetative states. I am also a deaf person. Those of us with disabilities are watching what is going on in Florida, and we are waiting. We are waiting to see if other people
understand what could possibly happen if Terry Schiavo is allowed to die through starvation and dehydration. Never mind the fact that this is not a ‘painless’ way to go. Ask any soldier who has been denied food or water, or
any hostage. What many people do not seem to realize is that in every person’s life there comes a time when we are ‘disabled.’ Often that time comes at the end of our lives, but many times it comes during childhood,
youth, or middle-age. It is at that time when people are ‘disabled’ that they become a ‘burden,’ whether on their families or the health system. It is at that time that people are at their point of needing the most care, but
it is also at that time where these people are at their most vulnerable.

There have been several cases of medical personnel who have killed elderly, or the disabled, or even infants because ‘they’ perceived that they would bedoing those people and their families a favor. Outcries were raised to find these murderers, and often it was discovered that these medical practitioners had ulterior motives, such as material gain or the sheer thrill of playing God. So what is the difference between these mistaken individuals, and those involved in the Schiavo fiasco? The fact that it has
worked its way through the legal system? Hey, did those judges go to medical school? Did the media who persistently rants about Terry Schiavo’s vegetative state? So who is playing God here?

Those of us with disabilities and chronic illnesses often choose not to put on our driver’s license that we will be organ donors, even if we believe in this idea. Why? Because we fear to leave an opening for some doctor to judge
that our lives as a person with a difference is less worthy then the life of someone who can pay for an organ, whether through their health insurance or through personal wealth.

So we are watching Florida, and we are wondering what in the world all those elderly people and others who have the potential of becoming disabled or in need of care are thinking when they read biased reports by the media on this
case, and then answer a biased questionnaire concerning Terry Schiavo’s case, about which they know only that which the media feeds them. Just like with the state of Oregon when it passed laws allowing assisted suicide, I can guarantee those of us with disabilities will not be going any time soon to Florida. Ladies and gentlemen of Florida, I would suggest that you make very clear your wishes before you become incapacitated for any reason as to
your health care. Make sure you tell someone who has nothing to gain from your death. Some doctor, judge, or family member may decide to play God with
your life.


Karen S.
(name and address edited by msmagoo)

"I am only one; but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; I will not refuse to do something I can do."
-Helen Keller

"You know, sometimes it is the artist's task to find out how much music you can still make with what you have left."
-Itzhak Perlman

[russesjunjee]

Thanks for that post msmagoo. If anyone on Free Republic has a story about a loved one or a friend who has been forced to die in the US feel free to send it to me. I am going to see that the ruth about forced death gets out. I will publish your stories on my website or any other media that I can.

junj