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NATO Isn’t Ready for a Drone-Missile War With Russia
National Security Journal ^ | 10/3/2025 | Andrew A. Latham

Posted on 10/03/2025 8:40:09 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

Russia’s war on Ukraine is a war on speed and scale: cheap drones by the hundreds; cruise and ballistic missiles by the scores; electronic warfare (EW) whose logic can mutate on quarterly cycles. That is the fight NATO must be ready for—not an elegant, unhurried campaign of exquisite platforms, but a drone-and-missile war where software changes faster than doctrine, where ammunition depth decides what survives.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: history; nato; notourwarlibtards; russia; ukraine; whyiloveblogpimps111

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Could NATO beat Russia? I don't think so at the moment...
1 posted on 10/03/2025 8:40:09 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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To: whyilovetexas111
...but a drone-and-missile war where software changes faster than doctrine...

Of all the foreign programmers I worked with over the years, the Russians were the best by a good margin.
2 posted on 10/03/2025 8:44:50 AM PDT by ComputerGuy
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Zeepers remain unconvinced and very Low IQ


3 posted on 10/03/2025 8:47:45 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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“Zeepers remain unconvinced and very Low IQ”

Putinisters remain unconvinced and very Low IQ


4 posted on 10/03/2025 8:49:54 AM PDT by TexasGator (The 750 hp Florida Gnat)
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To: whyilovetexas111
Russia is struggling for 1318 days against Ukraine, a country with no navy, no missile force and basically no air-force.

NATO's air-force would easily establish air superiority against Russia

5 posted on 10/03/2025 8:53:36 AM PDT by tlozo (“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth,” Trump)
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NATO Isn’t Ready for a Drone-Missile War With Russia

I suspect they'll find out.

It's OK if no Americans are involved and we get out of NATO.

6 posted on 10/03/2025 8:55:16 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (President Trump Decisively Won Popular & E.C., Celebrate Recivilization!)
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Really! I want NATO to become Canada and then no one will care what they do.


7 posted on 10/03/2025 8:57:53 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: whyilovetexas111

The DoW/Raytheon mouthpiece speaks.


8 posted on 10/03/2025 9:12:34 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: whyilovetexas111

Oh NO! Russia is going to take over Europe and the weak USA.

I guess we should practice our French-like surrender dances!

//Sarcasm

PS. I bought some Drone stock a few weeks ago. AVA and KTOS are up about 25% in the past month. It’s better than NVIDIA.


9 posted on 10/03/2025 9:24:20 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: whyilovetexas111
Quite easily, actually: Russia has no effective air force and is incapable of achieving air supremacy even over Ukraine.

The main problem would be depletion of current stocks of weaponry killing hordes of Russians and stopping Russian missiles. And even with the latter problem, unless the missiles carry nukes, they don't deliver enough ordnance to be operationally effective and Russia doesn't have enough of them to make them so.

10 posted on 10/03/2025 9:38:37 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Fast design and development isn't exactly a forte of any Western beached whale procurement system.

The German papers have noted that some of Rheimetall's latest anti-drone vehicles are already being proven in combat in Ukraine before the German Waffenamt has finished accepting any.

11 posted on 10/03/2025 9:42:24 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: whyilovetexas111

For most of their years, NATO has had its mind of Soviet/Russian tanks overrunning one articular geological gap with many tanks, so new technology is before them.


12 posted on 10/03/2025 10:17:45 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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Evidently it is Putin who was not adapting to the post empire situation which is why his troops are mired in the mud without air forces or navy while Kaliningrad has been cut off and neutered as he continues to keep moving backwards strategically.


13 posted on 10/03/2025 10:53:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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Russia wasn’t ready for a drone war with Ukraine.


14 posted on 10/03/2025 10:54:56 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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And even with the latter problem, unless the missiles carry nukes, they don't deliver enough ordnance to be operationally effective and Russia doesn't have enough of them to make them so.

The primary target of Russia's missiles and drones has been Kyiv, and having launched almost 10,000 missiles (the entirety of the Soviet/Russian inventory), they have failed to inflict catastrophic damage to even one metropolis in Ukraine. Cities within artillery/MLRS and glide bomb range have suffered much worse, but it takes a huge quantity of missiles to inflict significant damage to a large city.

Of course, NATO's major advantage is Air Power. Our ability to destroy and penetrate Russia's air defense system would offset (Europe's) lack of long range strike weapons. I seriously doubt Russia wants a significant conflict with NATO, as they are currently outmatched. What Russia wants is to win the battle of escalation, without actual armed conflict. Striking a couple Euro cities would bring an embarrassing retaliation that would probably be the end of Putin's rule.

15 posted on 10/03/2025 12:15:16 PM PDT by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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Lol. 30 Russian jets in Syria have managed to destroy four times the rate of sorties of 180 NATO jets in Syria with much better execution. They have pilots with a thousand combat missions on record. And Russians hold records for all top five of long range BVR air to air kills, all achieved over Ukraine there they definitely have air supremacy.

USAF on the other hand has never encountered a post-Vietnam echeloned air defense.


16 posted on 10/03/2025 7:18:49 PM PDT by NorseViking
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30 Russian jets in Syria have managed to destroy four times the rate of sorties of 180 NATO jets in Syria with much better execution. They have pilots with a thousand combat missions on record.

Then why did Putin remove his pilots from Syria? He did not have to do that much to prop up Assad.

17 posted on 10/03/2025 7:25:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: ETCM

There are several false assumption that reduce value of your response.

First, you imply that there is a Russian goal of inflicting a catastrophic damage to even one Ukrainian metropolis even though there is no evidence to prove it. What you are seeing is an extensive focused air campaign against military targets that prioritized reduction of collateral damage in the first place.

Cities within artillery range have suffered much more specifically because the Ukrainian military used every building as firing positions.

But the point of 10,000 missiles fired and the enemy is still fighting is a testament to a fact that your take on efficacy of air power is also badly flawed.

There are simply too many tactical targets on the battlefield to be effectively neutralized by air power, no matter how resourceful it is.

Also your idea of ability to penetrate air defenses is purely hypothetical because NATO has no experience in dealing with post-Vietnam integrated systems. If anything, most of means in NATO disposal were used against Russian air defenses to very minimal effect while allowing Russians to score all sorts of records in terms of destruction of attacking assets, from longest BVR air to air kill to the longest SAM to air kill.


18 posted on 10/03/2025 7:33:02 PM PDT by NorseViking
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Did he? For what I know the Russian base is still there but now it serves prarily as a logistical hub for African operations.


19 posted on 10/03/2025 7:34:33 PM PDT by NorseViking
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There was nothing left when the Rebels conquered Syria last December.


20 posted on 10/03/2025 7:42:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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