Posted on 01/30/2025 8:14:21 AM PST by Red Badger
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views Jan 30, 2025 29/JAN/2025 PSA Airlines performing flight from Wichita to Washington National was on short final circling for runway 33 when the aircraft collided with a Military Army Sikorsky UH-60 and both aircraft fell into the Potomac River.
Local Police reported no survivors.
After confirmation on another frequency, PAT25 is heard during the following communication with Tower. Listen to that audio here • Last Radio from Army Helicopter | Mid...
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Military A/C don’t have a lot of the nice things commercial A/C do.............
I know nothing of these things but shouldn’t the traffic controller said plane approaching at xxx so the help would now where the plane was instead of just saying did you see the plane.
No, not equipped. The airliner might have collision avoidance equipment though.
PSA flight 182. The year my son was born. Remember it well.
Yes, directions are given in degrees of the compass..................
THE HELICOPTER SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FLYING OVER THAT AIRPORT APPROACH AT THAT ALTITUDE. PERIOD.
Yep
1) Wrongs altitude (who controls that?)
2) Warned too late (Who controls that)
Yes..............
That’s right up there with the World Trade Center actually being demolition charges and no air liner ever hit the Pentagon thinking.
Once again, straightforward common sense from you.
That would be a professional and precise way to warn the helicopter.
We are waiting for identification of the soldiers in the helicopter.
There is a possibility that we may know the family.
Wonder if collision avoidance equipment will be installed on military aircraft after this.
My first thought, after seeing the flight paths and the helicopter turning into the path of the airplane, was to wonder if the trainee pilot was suicidal or a terrorist. There was a time such a thought would never have entered my mind. Now it’s the first thing. It’s not a big jump to imagining an angry soldier mad about the changes about to be made in the services, then copying a car driving into a New Orleans crowd. DEI is the second thought.
Bkmk
Natural follow-on to that is, “Why, if the plane’s lights were blazing, does it appear the plane’s pilot took no evasive action?”
Not casting blame - my fighter pilot dad always bitched about AIBs or Safety Boards blaming pilot error first.
Colonel, USAF JAGC (Ret)
Were airline pilots, armed services personnel, air traffic controllers, and air traffic control systems personnel and system recruited, promoted and trained to the highest professional standards, or did DEI necessarily put less competent people in each of those positions?
The question answers itself.
Hiring, training, promotions and contracts went to DEI not excellence.
DEI = DIE!
One of my customers was stepping out the front door at Marine Electric Company and had eyes on the PSA and small aircraft. He exclaimed, "they're going to hit"...and they did. I left the "shop" and stepped out front as the initial plume of smoke went up. It was a major league mess.
Fatigue is my guess.
It’s a common enough occurrence with boating. A pilot will keep a light at the same angle off the bow believing it’s a fixed shore light when in fact it’s a vessel closing with them. Keeping it say ‘5 degrees abeam’ will put that vessel right into the other one, leaving a track that looks like it’s a guided weapon/suicidal captain.
Maybe useful for large aircraft like transports and bombers. There are differences in military and civilian navigation and communications systems that wouldn't necessarily let them be compatible for CAS used commercially.
For small jets and helicopters the CAS would be challenged just by the nature of their operations. Airspace over combat and training areas could drive the CAS nuts due to congestion and operational needs. Imagine dealing with a gaggle of transport helicopters covered by gunships and close air support aircraft. Never ending warnings.
At the 1:34 mark of the video you can see the transponder come on of the plane departing and what looks to be the helo turn east to avoid the departing plane just as the Wichita inbound flight is breaking to the east (bottom of screen) to line up for the final to runway 33.
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