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Vaccine Questions Shouldn't Be Verboten
Hotair ^ | 12/21/2024 | Victor Joecks

Posted on 12/21/2024 7:19:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind

In the Harry Potter series, the villain Lord Voldemort is known as "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named." There's a similar sentiment whenever someone expresses a heterodox opinion on vaccines.

The long knives are already out for Health and Human Services secretary nominee Robert F. Kennedy Jr. While there are valid concerns among pro-life activists, the most prominent objection is Kennedy's vaccine skepticism.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) labeled Kennedy a "denier of science." Kennedy has pushed "the scientifically discredited belief that childhood vaccines cause autism," The New York Times wrote.

Trump isn't backing down. In a recent NBC interview, Kristen Welker asked Trump whether childhood vaccines should be eliminated.

"If they're dangerous for the children," he replied. He continued, "Take a look at autism. Go back 25 years. Autism was almost non-existent. It was, you know, one out of 100,000. And now it's close to one out of 100."

After Welker asserted that studies show no link between vaccines and autism, Trump responded, "I mean, something is going on. I don't know if it's vaccines. Maybe it's chlorine in the water, right?" He concluded, "We have to find out."

On another subject, this answer would sound like a dodge. All Trump said is that children shouldn't be exposed to dangerous things and that he wants to know what's causing autism. But because he's talking about vaccines, it's a jarring comment.

On another subject, this answer would sound like a dodge. All Trump said is that children shouldn't be exposed to dangerous things and that he wants to know what's causing autism. But because he's talking about vaccines, it's a jarring comment.

This is the same tactic the left uses against those who believe in intelligent design or question global warming alarmism. But ad hominem attacks are a logical fallacy, not a sign of a strong intellectual argument.

The next problem is that stifling discussion limits nuance and new discoveries. Doctors once recommended older adults take a daily dose of baby aspirin to ward off cardiovascular disease. In 2022, the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force reversed course for adults without heart disease. They concluded the risk of bleeding was greater than the number of heart attacks prevented. Even beneficial drugs have trade-offs.

These kinds of discussions should be had about vaccines. A century ago, whooping cough killed 6,000 children a year. As the name implies, whooping cough is spread through the air. It's especially deadly for babies. Thanks to vaccines, there were only around 3,000 cases of whooping cough in the U.S. in 2022. That's a medical miracle.

In contrast, Hepatitis B is spread primarily by sexual contact or dirty needles. That's much less of a threat to newborns than an airborne virus. Yet, the CDC recommends infants receive the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth, 1 month and 6 months. The CDC also recommends 6-month-olds get the COVID vaccine. Healthy children have a vanishingly small risk of dying from COVID. The COVID vaccine, however, has been linked to heart problems, especially in young males.

Perhaps there are trade-offs to the CDC now recommending some infants receive more than 20 vaccines by the time they're 6 months old. Just like with baby aspirin, that topic shouldn't be off limits to continued study and debate.

Finally, doing something different may lead to answers on autism, which Trump correctly notes has exploded. If the supposed experts can't figure out why it's growing so rapidly, then it's time to investigate possible answers the "experts" previously dismissed.

RFK may end up being wrong about a lot, but he's right on this. Raising questions about vaccines shouldn't be verboten.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: autism; vaccines
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1 posted on 12/21/2024 7:19:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Or election integrity questions.


2 posted on 12/21/2024 7:23:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Congress should pass a law that before any baby gets any vaccine, the baby must be examined by a doctor and certified to be in good health and not autistic. If the baby is determined to be autistic after getting the vaccines, the vaccine company will be liable for damages to include permanent health care for life.


3 posted on 12/21/2024 7:34:14 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (We used to be a Republic, we are now a Fascist Klepto-Thugocracy. until Jan 20, 2025)
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To: SeekAndFind
Hep B vaccines are mostly unnecessary for the majority of the population.

It is mostly an STD. Embrace Chastity and don't share needles and the chances of you getting it drop so low that the vaccine is more of a risk than your catching it and it become chronic.

During my jaunts to strange lands I got vaccinated for a lot of things but Hep B was never one of them.

There is no need to give it to an infant unless the mother has Hep B.

And anything not strictly needed should be avoided until the child is about 18 months.

I know, people cry at me about how it is "probably ok usually" and maybe it is. And if I feed an infant honey it is probably ok usually. Except when it isn't.

Human are born with their immune system only partly on line. Maybe we should wait until all systems are go before we start giving them vaccines against things they have almost no chance of getting.

4 posted on 12/21/2024 7:49:28 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
The CDC also recommends 6-month-olds get the COVID vaccine.

First, the COVID vaccine was an experimental drug with no medical studies to support it being evidence based.

Also, to recommend it much less require it for young children is Medical Malpractice.

5 posted on 12/21/2024 7:51:28 PM PST by Balata (Structure determines Function)
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Human are born with their immune system only partly on line. Maybe we should wait until all systems are go before we start giving them vaccines against things they have almost no chance of getting.

There you go, making sense again.

6 posted on 12/21/2024 8:12:20 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: SeekAndFind

We hear about European health care and how great it is. Yet they have half the vaccines the CDC / NIH recommends. The demand that children get a still experimental VidVax is corruption at the highest level. That mandatory vax is proof they are just making crap up and making $$$ while doing it.


7 posted on 12/21/2024 8:12:46 PM PST by wgmalabama (For rent….)
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To: SeekAndFind

Under “died suddenly” the victim status of having received the vax should part of the reporting.


8 posted on 12/21/2024 8:22:40 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage? (Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.)
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To: metmom; Harmless Teddy Bear

That’s crazy talk!

Crazy talk, I tells ya!!!

:D


9 posted on 12/21/2024 8:26:05 PM PST by Salamander (Please visit my profile page to help me go home again . Nope. https://www.givesendgo.com/GCRRD)
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To: SeekAndFind

The definition of “science” has evolved into far-left wing orthodoxy.


10 posted on 12/21/2024 8:40:47 PM PST by alternatives?
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To: Balata

big pharma needed it on the child schedule to keep their legal immunity


11 posted on 12/21/2024 8:49:10 PM PST by joshua c
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To: RetiredTexasVet
Congress should pass a law...

Congress exempted themselves from the COVID-1984 Jim Jones Jab mandate. So much for equal treatment under the law.

12 posted on 12/21/2024 9:06:11 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: alternatives?
The definition of “science” has evolved into far-left wing orthodoxy.



13 posted on 12/21/2024 9:07:43 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: SeekAndFind

There is so much misinformation and fear-mongering here that I don’t know where to start.

Autism is a genetic disease. That means it comes from the mother and father. Vaccines cannot affect the genes, especially not when the genes were already allocated at the time of conception which predates the diagnosis of autism by at least two years.

No, RFK Jr. is not right on this. Since he is an environmental lawyer, he has absolutely zero expertise on how immunity works. And since he jumped on the antivax fear-mongering bandwagon years ago, he has no credibility, either.


14 posted on 12/21/2024 9:20:32 PM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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Autism is a genetic disease. That means it comes from the mother and father.

You lie.

15 posted on 12/22/2024 12:29:20 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: exDemMom
Autism is a genetic disease. That means it comes from the mother and father.

Then explain the increase and then prove, using science, that that is the only cause.

16 posted on 12/22/2024 1:22:11 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: SeekAndFind

Never question the medical industry or doctors. They literally think they own you.


17 posted on 12/22/2024 3:30:02 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: metmom; SeekAndFind; Harmless Teddy Bear; 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; ...
Infectious Disease ping : Asking an honest question, or when is it wrong to question constantly evolving and changing the science of modern medicine - especially about vaccines ?
In pure Science you should always be questioning !

Harmless Teddy Bear : “Human are born with their immune system only partly on line.
Maybe we should wait until all systems are go before we start giving them vaccines against things they have almost no chance of getting. “

metmom :” There you go, making sense again."

(From the article):”Trump isn't backing down.
In a recent NBC interview, Kristen Welker asked Trump whether childhood vaccines should be eliminated.”

"If they're dangerous for the children," he replied. He continued, "Take a look at autism. Go back 25 years.
Autism was almost non-existent.
It was, you know, one out of 100,000. And now it's close to one out of 100."

”After Welker asserted that studies show no link between vaccines and autism, Trump responded, "I mean, something is going on."
"I don't know if it's vaccines. Maybe it's chlorine in the water, right?" He concluded, "We have to find out."
….

”These kinds of discussions should be had about vaccines. A century ago, whooping cough killed 6,000 children a year.
As the name implies, whooping cough is spread through the air. It's especially deadly for babies.
Thanks to vaccines, there were only around 3,000 cases of whooping cough in the U.S. in 2022. That's a medical miracle.”

”In contrast, Hepatitis B is spread primarily by sexual contact or dirty needles.
That's much less of a threat to newborns than an airborne virus.
Yet, the CDC recommends infants receive the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth, 1 month and 6 months.
The CDC also recommends 6-month-olds get the COVID vaccine. Healthy children have a vanishingly small risk of dying from COVID.
The COVID vaccine, however, has been linked to heart problems, especially in young males.”

”Perhaps there are trade-offs to the CDC now recommending some infants receive more than 20 vaccines by the time they're 6 months old. (Emphasis mine)
Just like with baby aspirin, that topic shouldn't be off limits to continued study and debate...”

“Finally, doing something different may lead to answers on autism, which Trump correctly notes has exploded.
If the supposed experts can't figure out why it's growing so rapidly, then it's time to investigate possible answers the "experts" previously dismissed. “

”RFK may end up being wrong about a lot, but he's right on this.
Raising questions about vaccines shouldn't be verboten.”

18 posted on 12/22/2024 3:54:34 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: exDemMom

Have you gotten the latest covid booster?


19 posted on 12/22/2024 3:56:24 AM PST by TBall
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
In contrast, Hepatitis B is spread primarily by sexual contact or dirty needles.

The justification for forcing that vaccine on babies is that you never know if your kids is going to grow up being a drug user or sexually promiscuous.

And that aside, what if they're raped by someone who has Hep B? They might catch it that way.

Better safe than sorry*.

Pretty weak arguments, in my book. just fear mongering to justify giving and getting paid for a vaccine.

Another thing I stumbled on was that autism is connected to inflammation of the brain, so I'm wondering is the autism vaccine link might not be because of the immune response gone awry.

20 posted on 12/22/2024 4:00:29 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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