Posted on 09/26/2024 5:53:35 AM PDT by Red Badger
WORLD WAR III UPDATE: The globalist left moved the world closer to nuclear war on Wednesday.
Russian President Vladimir Putin met with officials on Wednesday and announced changes to Russia’s nuclear doctrine.
Putin lowered the threshold regarding Russian strategic forces’ use of nukes.
In a televised address to Russia’s Security Council, Putin said nuclear doctrine has been effectively revised in light of recent developments.
Putin warned NATO in his message to top Russian leaders after meetings on Wednesday.
Vladimir Putin: “The updated version of the document proposes that aggression against Russia by any non-nuclear weapons state but with the participation or support of a nuclear weapon state should be regarded as a joint attack on the Russian federation.
The conditions for Russia’s transition to the use of nuclear weapons are also clearly defined. We will consider such a possibility as soon as we receive reliable information about a massive launch of aerospace attack NEDS and their crossing of our state border. Meaning strategic or tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, drones, hypersonic missiles and other aircraft…
…We reserve the right to use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against Russia and Belarus as a member of the union state. All of these agreements have been agreed upon with the Belarussian side and with the president of Belarus.
The Gateway Pundit reported last week that Vladimir Putin warned that the NATO approval would change the essence of the conflict. Putin also warned that Kiev would be destroyed.
Vladimir Putin: The key is that only NATO servicemen can enter flight assignments into these missile systems. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this.
And so this is not about allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It’s about deciding whether NATO countries are directly involved in the military conflict or not.
If this decision is made it will mean nothing other than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, European countries, in the war in Ukraine. This is their direct participation and this already significantly changes the very essence and the very nature of the conflict…
This would mean that NATO countries, the United States are at war with Russia.
Horse manure.
Sucks to have Leftists who INSIST on seeing if Russia is bluffing. I do know one thing, however, when faced with the same type of threat to Western Europe during the Cold War, we sure as hell weren’t bluffing.
When a major power draws a Red Line, it’s a good idea to pay attention to the Red Line.
Unless, of course, it’s the US that’s drawing the Red Line. We aren’t serious about our Red Lines. But other countries just might be.
Why the anger? Isn’t this what Zeepers have worked for?
F*ck around, find out. Putin drew a red line on NATO membership for Ukraine. We ignored it.
Do we really want to find out if Putin is bluffing? Nuclear war over the sovereignty of Ukraine? Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Powers, et. al. Do we really have confidence in this group of knaves and fools who got us into this mess in 2014?
“When a major power draws a Red Line, it’s a good idea to pay attention to the Red Line.”
Oh, don’t be silly. We have people who INSIST they can read Putin’s mind right here on FR, and they say it’s a bluff. And if they’re wrong, FR won’t be around for us to gloat - so it’s a no-lose deal for them.
Your point is taken. I do think it is a bluff, but I am less sure of it.
In any event, is Ukraine worth losing the bluff calculation over? No.
There are circumstances that would be worth the risk though, threats to national sovereignty, etc.
If the cartels in Mexico banded with the Russians or Chicoms in a mutual defense treaty and started arming up with missiles from either Russia or China? etc.
Yeah, it's almost funny, watching otherwise intelligent people claim that Putin is a deranged/desperate/dying/demented dictator, and 30 seconds later insist there is ZERO chance he will EVER use nuclear weapons. Not a slight chance; not even a teeny tiny infinitesimally small chance; but zero chance.
The Ukrainians will be given gift cards that allow them to do this.
Best to discard the Western MSM. Start reading Russian news sources, the people are questioning Vlad’s restraint- MANY Russians are calling for nuking Kiev, get the war over with no matter the costs.
Wait till the world sees Vlad’s replacements, ALL advocate strikes on Ukraine and the western handlers.
People. Listen and ask: Is a ‘western’ missile strike on Russia the same as a Ukraine missile strike on Russia using western weapons? Do drones count as missiles? It’s been goin’ on.
It’s not that people think it’s a bluff per se. But the Russians say this crap literally every week for the past 2 1/2 years. The “Red line” you speak of appears to be transparent and it wiggles like a worm.
And most people who remotely follow Russian bluster understand that 99% of it is for internal consumption. It is easier to send your sons to die if you feel that they are defending the motherland.
Ukraine is not an existential threat to Russia. No other country (other than China) appears to have any desire to engage or invade Russia. The world knows that.
A regime that does that could care less whether or not Putin is bluffing. And casual talk about surviving a nuclear exchange by the same shows that those of the regime are not serious people.
No, no, and no.
“It’s not that people think it’s a bluff per se. But the Russians say this crap literally every week for the past 2 1/2 years.”
No, actually, just about every red line has been made by the Neocons. Starting with “We’ll only send Ukraine defensive weapons”, not to mention the limits on where those weapons were to be used.
This, on the other hand, is RUSSIAN red-line, and it was clearly stated by Putin.
But like I said before, if you guys are wrong, no big deal - no one will be criticizing you.
The man has 6000 nukes so you must be some sort of prophet of the future that can see that this won’t happen - but r you want it to happen.
“When a major power draws a Red Line, it’s a good idea to pay attention to the Red Line.
Unless, of course, it’s the US that’s drawing the Red Line. We aren’t serious about our Red Lines. But other countries just might be.”
Totally understand Russia’s stance . The US and others are out to take them ( China next ? ) out ; an existential threat to Russia if I ever saw one .
Neocons are grifting morons with a murder-suicide fetish.
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