Posted on 05/31/2024 8:38:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
OK, serious answers only please...
I'm trying to understand exactly what felony Trump was convicted of in yesterday's verdict.
Here's what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong or inaccurate in any of my interpretation) :
1) Trump was accused of a sexual affair with Porn Star Stormy Daniels almost 20 years ago.
2) 9 years later, as Trump was planning to ran for President, he had Stormy Daniels sign a non-disclosuer agreement in exchange for paying her $130,000 for her silence.
3) Trump is being charged with falsifying business records in relation to this particular payment.
Now, here's what I'm trying to understand ( but still don't ) -- exactly what felony did Trump commit?
#1 Might be morally wrong ( assuming it were true ), but it is NOT illegal between consenting adults.
#2 Isn't illegal either. Non-disclosure agreements are routinely being signed all the time, even with regards to something similar to what Trump allegedly did.
That brings us to Number 3: Falsifying business records.
What exactly did Trump falsify?
How should the payment to Stormy Daniels be declared in order to make it NOT illegal?
Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks.
Again, if you don't know, please don't post.
I can understand sarcasm, but the purpose of my opening this thread is to understand what exactly made his act a felony.
No one can tell us what crime Trump was convicted of because the prosecution never told anyone. A clear violation of Trump’s 6th Amendment rights.
Hey, the Bee figured it out! It was just posted above. At last, the mystery solved!
As a PFC, prior to his announcement in 2016, the made up charges were put into place.
pfc =military slang for private f* civilian-leavee me alone gov’t!
The only thing he did was hire a sleazy, lying lawyer. My guess is he never had anything to do with her but Cohen did. Other than living and doing business in New York, Trump did nothing anyone else hasn’t done. NDA’s are not illegal and since they are legal contracts are in fact legal expenses. He’ll win on appeal. The bigger view is he allowed the corrupt DOJ to open Pandoras box. Now the rael show begins.
In reality, he was convicted for daring to run again and take the lead in the polls.
You basically nailed it.
Trump signed 34 checks to Cohen. Legal Expense
No clue as to violation of law.
There is a big difference between what someone writes on the memo line on their check and what a transaction is coded as in the general ledger.
I'm sure that SAP hasn't coded "Porn Star" as a transaction code in their ERP system.
-PJ
Yes the Felony is being Donald Trump and having the audacity to run for President. Only those that are easily bought and controlled are allowed to run for that office....
RE: I have absolutely no idea how you arrive at 30+ felonies from a single journal entry from a staff accountant for a payment made to an attorney.
Correct me if I’m wrong. If Trump DIVIDED the $130,000 paid to Stormy ( actually as reimbursement to Michael Cohen for having paid her first ), into 34 separate payments, then Alvin Bragg considers each of the 34 subpayments 34 separate felonies, even if they all are for the same $130,000 paid for the non-disclosure agreement.
Does this make sense?
There was literally not a statute which the prosecution or the corrupt judge said was violated.
In New York City, he was convicted of beating Hillary Clinton in 2016.
-PJ
Trump is guilty of running against a Democrat.
Good question. I want to understand the flim-flam law that was broken too.
The thing is Trump was never charged with any of the three "other" crimes because none of them were actually illegal under New York law. However, since they were illegal under federal law, New York used them as the crimes Trump was supposedly in a conspiracy to violate.
And yes, I took multiple law classes in college and still this is the most convoluted, tortured legal logic I have ever seen. How can you be charged with a misdemeanor that somehow magically turns into a felony for conspiracy to violate a law you were never charged with let alone convicted of and isn't even illegal in that jurisdiction?
Self ping
RE: I assume the correct way to categorize it would be as reimbursement for NDA payment to Daniels.
So, he should have declared it that way and all would be fine?
I’m asking this as a serious question because this will affect a lot of businesses large and small regarding how they declare their expenses.
Orange man bad
"have absolutely no idea how you arrive at 30+ felonies from a single journal entry from a staff accountant"
I Believe NY counted each invoice and then added the # of checks and then the # of entries on the books etc. etc. to end up with the 30+ felony charges.
I assume the correct way to categorize it would be as reimbursement for NDA payment to Daniels.
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Correct
But who the heck puts something so literal like that in writing
(No one)
Legally speaking paying your lawyer isn’t a legal fee
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