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WESTERN DELUSIONS ABOUT RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE GENUINE
Sonar 21 ^ | 5/21/23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 05/21/2023 4:02:13 PM PDT by Kazan

If you think that the policy towards Russia, which is shaped by the perceptions and beliefs of the Washington status quo, is not seriously screwed up, think again and watch Charles Kupchan, a former Clinton and Obama National Security official and current shill for the Atlantic Council, take you on a bizarre journey worthy of Alice in Wonderland. Kupchan’s views are not unique to him. What he is saying about Russia and Ukraine is mainstream Neo-Con and reflects the views of Biden’s key national security aides and the leaders of the U.S. Senate and House. No amount of facts will change his mind. He is locked in, as is the Biden Administration, in portraying Russia as a rapacious, authoritarian state hell-bent on conquering the world.

If there is anyone in a leadership role in Russia or China who still believes that there is a path of negotiation with the United States, Kupchan’s delusional diatribes unleashed in this video should awake them to the futility of such an effort. There is no room for genuine negotiation with Moscow. The Washington establishment will not be satisfied until Putin is dead and Russia is carved up like a Thanksgiving Turkey — the bird not the country.

Here is the first segment of Kupchan’s interview on RT’s program, Going Underground. You can watch the entire program here:

Charles Kupchan Part I

The fall of Bakhmut today to the Russians, just like the capture of Mariupol one year ago to the day, is being portrayed in the West as a nothing-burger. It is a Leslie Nielsen (portraying Detective Frank Drebin) moment:

The Naked Gun - "Nothing to see here!" (1080p)

But Ukraine paid a heavy price in blood in trying to hold onto that supposedly “worthless” city. Simplicius provides the details of the Ukrainian military obituary:

Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers

Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment 8th Regiment of Special Forces

Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion
Omega
Border Guard Donetsk

8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka

WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion

Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of atleast 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of at least 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

Kupchan, in my view, is a precise barometer of the philosophical and political ideology directing U.S. policy towards Russia and Ukraine. These people — e.g., Sullivan, Blinken, Nuland and Kupchan — really believe that Russia is an impoverished, ravaged nation barely hanging on and nothing yet has shaken them of that belief. They are convinced that if Ukraine can pull off a military miracle that Russia will collapse. This mindset is not only crazy, it is dangerous. It grossly underestimates Russia’s capability and determination to achieve its stated goals of demilitarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine and rests heavily on the false assumption that Russia does not have the economic power to sustain its military effort.

I do recommend you read the latest from Simplicius the Thinker. It is behind a pay wall. He offers a fascinating, detailed analysis of the next steps in the war. I believe that Simplicius is not the sole author of the excellent pieces posted at his Substack. I believe he is a conduit for providing the view of Russian military intelligence about the state of play in the war Russia is waging in Ukraine. He is getting help from knowledgeable folks on the Russian side. Please do not misinterpret what I am trying to convey — I am not accusing Simplicius of being a Russian stooge. Far from it. I think he represents a rather sophisticated information operation designed to try to communicate with the West the reality of what Ukraine faces in this war.

Simplicius is a clever vehicle for getting information to the public that is not covered with the taint of a Russian Ministry of Defense briefing. I am not suggesting that the Russian MOD is lying. Just pointing out the the establishment West routinely rejects anything the MOD provides. Simplicius, as a Substac author, is not an immediate lightning rod and his well reasoned pieces appear to be having the intended effect of educating people in the West about what is really going on and what may happen. I realize that some, like Charles Kupchan, immediately reject what Simplicius is presenting by labeling it as “Russian propaganda.” Simplicius, in my view, is not a propagandist or a spin artist.

Let me take one telling example from his latest work. He comments on the reported ambush of two Russian combat aircraft and two helicopters last week. The initial public reaction credited Ukraine with a daring operation that caught the Russians with their pants down. But Simplicius now presents a credible case that the Russians themselves shot down these aircraft.

Some might argue, they recently blasted an entire Russian ‘special air group’ near Bryansk. But to be honest, the more time goes by, the more I’m personally leaning towards the explanation that that air group was destroyed by friendly fire. The prominent Russian ‘FighterBomber’ channel seems to agree, stating that Russian IFF (Identify Friend Foe) systems have known problems, and it would explain a lot of very untenable anomalies of the shoot down; like why the EW choppers did not appear to be engaging the threat at all with their automated systems which disperse flares/chaff and why they wouldn’t have been able to jam the system in question to begin with, as is their role. Keep in mind, Ukraine itself denied that they were responsible for this shoot down, officially, though that’s not necessarily saying much.,/I>

It’s simply too improbable, and they have no real systems that can reach that far into Russian space, have never done it before or since. So personally, my senses tell me that was a catastrophic case of blue on blue. Wouldn’t be the first or last time—most of the shoot downs of Russian Su-34s over Donetsk last year were confirmed to have been by friendly fire. And most shoot downs in general throughout history are friendly fire, which includes the majority of NATO/U.S. shoot downs in the various conflicts like Desert Storm, etc. It’s a simple reality of air operations.

Whether Simplicius is producing all of these excellent pieces on his own or is getting help from Russian military intelligence is irrelevant because the quality of what is written stands on its own and is worth reading, which means you ought to consider subscribing to his Substack. Sadly, people like Charles Kupchan prefer to wallow in the filth of ignorance and blindly embrace suicidal policies that will do more to harm the United States than Russia.


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To: Kazan

Charles Kupchan is hard to stomach for too long of a period of time. I had to finally cut him off, because all he was spewing forth were out right lies.


81 posted on 05/21/2023 8:38:52 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

I was being facetious.


82 posted on 05/21/2023 9:29:39 PM PDT by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: beethovenfan
I was being facetious.

I'm like Ford Prefect in the Hitchhiker books. I don't understand sarcasm.

83 posted on 05/21/2023 10:04:58 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: caww

It is clear that the neocons are wrong when they say Russia wants to take over the world.

It is equally clear that Russia DOES want to take over all of the independent ex-SSRs, and restore “influence” in the ex Warsaw Pact.

It’s also clear the motive for this POLICY in Russia has a multi faceted basis.

1. Eroding control over the ‘Stans.
2. Growing dissatisfaction in the CIS.
3. Half of the Russian Federation is 50 years behind Muscovy in terms of infrastructure and amenities.

4. The CSTO is about as attractive as syphilis. Any country who has a free choice between joining CSTO and joining NATO would much rather be in NATO.

5. BRICS is growing because of China and India; Russia’s fast turning into the alliance’s loudmouth uncle.

6. Russia pretty much exports only five things (fossil fuels, cereals, Wagner, Russkyi Mir, and cyber warfare.) Nobody buys Russian laptops, Russian white goods, Russian cars or Russian clothes because Russia still doesn’t know how to make the stuff for export. Eleven time zones and still no export strategy. Hungary and Bulgaria between them export more consumer electronics than Russia.

That Russia wants to expand west by absorbing countries that DIDN’T waste their post USSR opportunities, and lose the eastern dead weight, isn’t in dispute.

It’s their methods - cyber extortion, fuel and nuclear blackmail, political interference including fomenting separatists and performing assassinations, and old school invasion - that are the issue.


84 posted on 05/22/2023 12:23:10 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: ought-six

I cannot abide rule breakers.


85 posted on 05/22/2023 1:17:44 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ Free kiryandil )
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To: MalPearce

“Never get just one perspective on something. Never latch onto the first version of a narrative, and disregard all others. Doing so only makes you look like an ass in the long run.”


86 posted on 05/22/2023 1:46:39 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: caww

Yup.

Tell it to the people who fixate on Nuland’s machinations in 2014 (AFTER Maidan) to make it all about the USA, while totally ignoring what happened BEFORE Maidan. Including the Polish leader Lech Kaczynski warning Ukraine in 2008 that they had credible intelligence that Russia was going to do to Ukraine what it was already doing in Georgia.

Funny how those who love a good conspiracy theory don’t entertain the one around the Smolensk Air Disaster 2010 which killed Lech along with his wife, his predecessor, the Polish military chiefs of staff, the governor of the national bank, eighteen parliamentarians, four parliamentary deputies including a foreign minister, two religious leaders, and the head of their Olympic community...

On the occasion of commemorating the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre. While landing in Russia. Well, that was some crazy bad luck.

So the folks ignoring the MULTIPLE assassination attempts, the alleged assassination of the Polish leadership, the summer 2013 economic blackmailing of Ukraine by Russia, the autumn U-turn on the EU trade deal (with the Chinese and Russian equivalents already in place), and Yanukovych signing away Ukrainian economic sovereignty to Moscow in mid December...

It’s all Nuland’s fault, can’t possibly have anything to do with suspicious behavior by Moscow.

Yep, that is what a monomania looks like.


87 posted on 05/22/2023 2:48:44 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: for-q-clinton

Bahkmut controls an important road junction.


88 posted on 05/22/2023 8:09:05 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: silverleaf

In the absence of air supremacy, artillery is the queen of the battlefield.


89 posted on 05/22/2023 8:10:42 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DesertRhino
But the looneys here are convinced that is because it’s all they had. Also, what kind of lunatic would take the time and effort to take important resources up to Moscow for a Parade?

Slight nitpick. I read, I think it said in 1941, that a military parade took place, as usual for such things, in Red Square, and the tanks in the parade continued on right to the front. (Not the May Day parade, but still...)

90 posted on 05/22/2023 8:30:25 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I have heard that too. But in that parade, it was intended to stiffen resistance in the battle of Moscow. Germans were about 12 miles from it, and the soldiers in the parade went from there, directly into battle.

That wasn’t pulling people from all over solely to conduct a parade as it would be today. Those assets moving by rail came through Moscow to go to the battlefield. The infantry even walked to the battle. It was that close.


91 posted on 05/22/2023 12:37:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: caww

You don’t understand common English.

An assumption is a claimed fact that is not supported by the evidence. I made no such declaration.

Rather, my comment was qualified by the phrase “I think...,” which is a suggestion, not a declaration of assumed fact.

Go back to school, son; and take a basic course in rhetoric and debate.


92 posted on 05/22/2023 2:24:54 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: JonPreston

Then you are a self-loathing fraud.


93 posted on 05/22/2023 2:26:09 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Kazan

If only the Putinistas on this site met the same fate as Lord Haw Haw: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw


94 posted on 05/22/2023 2:28:15 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“The USA sends $150 Billion to Ukraine. Ukraine can’t even hold Bakhmut.”

Ukraine, grossly out-manned and out-gunned, held off the “superior” Russians for a year!


95 posted on 05/22/2023 2:29:30 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Stop! I shake with anger when you call me names


96 posted on 05/22/2023 2:34:54 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ Free kiryandil )
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To: JonPreston

More likely the DTs.


97 posted on 05/22/2023 2:42:23 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Trembling with anger


98 posted on 05/22/2023 2:45:19 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ Free kiryandil )
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To: JonPreston

Trembling with embarrassment, more likely.


99 posted on 05/22/2023 2:50:49 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
This is Laika, the first dog in space.

Photo suitable for framing


100 posted on 05/22/2023 3:16:36 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ Free kiryandil )
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