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WESTERN DELUSIONS ABOUT RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE GENUINE
Sonar 21 ^ | 5/21/23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 05/21/2023 4:02:13 PM PDT by Kazan

If you think that the policy towards Russia, which is shaped by the perceptions and beliefs of the Washington status quo, is not seriously screwed up, think again and watch Charles Kupchan, a former Clinton and Obama National Security official and current shill for the Atlantic Council, take you on a bizarre journey worthy of Alice in Wonderland. Kupchan’s views are not unique to him. What he is saying about Russia and Ukraine is mainstream Neo-Con and reflects the views of Biden’s key national security aides and the leaders of the U.S. Senate and House. No amount of facts will change his mind. He is locked in, as is the Biden Administration, in portraying Russia as a rapacious, authoritarian state hell-bent on conquering the world.

If there is anyone in a leadership role in Russia or China who still believes that there is a path of negotiation with the United States, Kupchan’s delusional diatribes unleashed in this video should awake them to the futility of such an effort. There is no room for genuine negotiation with Moscow. The Washington establishment will not be satisfied until Putin is dead and Russia is carved up like a Thanksgiving Turkey — the bird not the country.

Here is the first segment of Kupchan’s interview on RT’s program, Going Underground. You can watch the entire program here:

Charles Kupchan Part I

The fall of Bakhmut today to the Russians, just like the capture of Mariupol one year ago to the day, is being portrayed in the West as a nothing-burger. It is a Leslie Nielsen (portraying Detective Frank Drebin) moment:

The Naked Gun - "Nothing to see here!" (1080p)

But Ukraine paid a heavy price in blood in trying to hold onto that supposedly “worthless” city. Simplicius provides the details of the Ukrainian military obituary:

Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers

Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment 8th Regiment of Special Forces

Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion
Omega
Border Guard Donetsk

8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka

WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion

Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of atleast 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of at least 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

Kupchan, in my view, is a precise barometer of the philosophical and political ideology directing U.S. policy towards Russia and Ukraine. These people — e.g., Sullivan, Blinken, Nuland and Kupchan — really believe that Russia is an impoverished, ravaged nation barely hanging on and nothing yet has shaken them of that belief. They are convinced that if Ukraine can pull off a military miracle that Russia will collapse. This mindset is not only crazy, it is dangerous. It grossly underestimates Russia’s capability and determination to achieve its stated goals of demilitarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine and rests heavily on the false assumption that Russia does not have the economic power to sustain its military effort.

I do recommend you read the latest from Simplicius the Thinker. It is behind a pay wall. He offers a fascinating, detailed analysis of the next steps in the war. I believe that Simplicius is not the sole author of the excellent pieces posted at his Substack. I believe he is a conduit for providing the view of Russian military intelligence about the state of play in the war Russia is waging in Ukraine. He is getting help from knowledgeable folks on the Russian side. Please do not misinterpret what I am trying to convey — I am not accusing Simplicius of being a Russian stooge. Far from it. I think he represents a rather sophisticated information operation designed to try to communicate with the West the reality of what Ukraine faces in this war.

Simplicius is a clever vehicle for getting information to the public that is not covered with the taint of a Russian Ministry of Defense briefing. I am not suggesting that the Russian MOD is lying. Just pointing out the the establishment West routinely rejects anything the MOD provides. Simplicius, as a Substac author, is not an immediate lightning rod and his well reasoned pieces appear to be having the intended effect of educating people in the West about what is really going on and what may happen. I realize that some, like Charles Kupchan, immediately reject what Simplicius is presenting by labeling it as “Russian propaganda.” Simplicius, in my view, is not a propagandist or a spin artist.

Let me take one telling example from his latest work. He comments on the reported ambush of two Russian combat aircraft and two helicopters last week. The initial public reaction credited Ukraine with a daring operation that caught the Russians with their pants down. But Simplicius now presents a credible case that the Russians themselves shot down these aircraft.

Some might argue, they recently blasted an entire Russian ‘special air group’ near Bryansk. But to be honest, the more time goes by, the more I’m personally leaning towards the explanation that that air group was destroyed by friendly fire. The prominent Russian ‘FighterBomber’ channel seems to agree, stating that Russian IFF (Identify Friend Foe) systems have known problems, and it would explain a lot of very untenable anomalies of the shoot down; like why the EW choppers did not appear to be engaging the threat at all with their automated systems which disperse flares/chaff and why they wouldn’t have been able to jam the system in question to begin with, as is their role. Keep in mind, Ukraine itself denied that they were responsible for this shoot down, officially, though that’s not necessarily saying much.,/I>

It’s simply too improbable, and they have no real systems that can reach that far into Russian space, have never done it before or since. So personally, my senses tell me that was a catastrophic case of blue on blue. Wouldn’t be the first or last time—most of the shoot downs of Russian Su-34s over Donetsk last year were confirmed to have been by friendly fire. And most shoot downs in general throughout history are friendly fire, which includes the majority of NATO/U.S. shoot downs in the various conflicts like Desert Storm, etc. It’s a simple reality of air operations.

Whether Simplicius is producing all of these excellent pieces on his own or is getting help from Russian military intelligence is irrelevant because the quality of what is written stands on its own and is worth reading, which means you ought to consider subscribing to his Substack. Sadly, people like Charles Kupchan prefer to wallow in the filth of ignorance and blindly embrace suicidal policies that will do more to harm the United States than Russia.


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1 posted on 05/21/2023 4:02:13 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

This will certainly be denied by those who suffer from Russia-phobia which our media has been blasting for decades as well as Politicians.


2 posted on 05/21/2023 4:05:52 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Kazan

The Democrats must have been doing some really awful stuff in Ukraine.


3 posted on 05/21/2023 4:06:48 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: Kazan
No amount of facts will change his mind. He is locked in, as is the Biden Administration, in portraying Russia as a rapacious, authoritarian state hell-bent on conquering the world.

I wouldn't put it past this administration to attack St. Petersburg or Vladivostok with a nuclear sub. It's how reckless and single-minded they are.

4 posted on 05/21/2023 4:10:27 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: caww

Russians could only get a single 70 year old tank to their victory parade. Proves which army was annihilated in Bakhmut.


5 posted on 05/21/2023 4:14:04 PM PDT by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Renfrew
That's because they has so many tanks in the battlefield, sitting there ready to go.

You and your neocon buddies are fools. And, this obsession with Russia is endangering us all.

6 posted on 05/21/2023 4:16:05 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
I fear you're right.

The citizens of this country have had to rely on Putin and the Russians to show restraint. If they hadn't, we'd already be involved in WWIII or a nuclear war.

7 posted on 05/21/2023 4:17:22 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

This is very one sided analysis. And missing the obvious counter.

Well if Bahkmut is valuable please state what the value is? The only value at this point is symbolic which does matter, but of strategic value not much for either side. Except for who lost more people and at what proportion.

Depending on who you believe Ukraine either took a lot more casualties than Russia or Russia took more than Ukraine.

But common sense says the defender loses less than the offense.


8 posted on 05/21/2023 4:17:51 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: caww

“This will certainly be denied by those who suffer from Russia-phobia...”

I don’t fear Russia; so, I’m not a Russophobe; and, I suspect, there are a great many FReepers with whom you disagree that are not Russophobes, either. We don’t fear Russia; rather, we do not trust it — at all. There is a big difference between fear and distrust. But, I don’t think you know that.


9 posted on 05/21/2023 4:18:17 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Kazan

Not behind paywall, article cited
But Simplicious does great work…and has a tip jar

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-52023-bakhmut-falls-artemovsk


10 posted on 05/21/2023 4:18:31 PM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“I wouldn’t put it past this administration to attack St. Petersburg or Vladivostok with a nuclear sub. It’s how reckless and single-minded they are.”

Started drinking early today, have you?


11 posted on 05/21/2023 4:19:26 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Kazan

“And, this obsession with Russia is endangering us all.”

YOU are the one who is obsessed with Russia.


12 posted on 05/21/2023 4:20:27 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Kazan

“The citizens of this country have had to rely on Putin and the Russians to show restraint. If they hadn’t, we’d already be involved in WWIII or a nuclear war.”

Which would have been STARTED by Russia.


13 posted on 05/21/2023 4:21:31 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: for-q-clinton

Not in this case

In fact, the assault force Wagner was probably only about 1/2- 1/3 of the 90K force the Ukes deployed to defense

This battle will change the teaching in War Colleges


14 posted on 05/21/2023 4:21:46 PM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: ought-six

still no answer?


15 posted on 05/21/2023 4:26:01 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

To what? I was unaware you had even asked me a question. What was it?


16 posted on 05/21/2023 4:26:49 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Kazan

The cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias is strong in this thread.


17 posted on 05/21/2023 4:27:07 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: Kazan

reminds me of oak ( joke ) Island

drill another hole over here


18 posted on 05/21/2023 4:27:58 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: silverleaf

LOL. Any proof of that?


19 posted on 05/21/2023 4:28:42 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Kazan

Russia’s delusions about being a superpower are now obvious to the rest of the world.


20 posted on 05/21/2023 4:30:06 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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