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1 posted on 05/21/2023 4:02:13 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

This will certainly be denied by those who suffer from Russia-phobia which our media has been blasting for decades as well as Politicians.


2 posted on 05/21/2023 4:05:52 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Kazan

The Democrats must have been doing some really awful stuff in Ukraine.


3 posted on 05/21/2023 4:06:48 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: Kazan
No amount of facts will change his mind. He is locked in, as is the Biden Administration, in portraying Russia as a rapacious, authoritarian state hell-bent on conquering the world.

I wouldn't put it past this administration to attack St. Petersburg or Vladivostok with a nuclear sub. It's how reckless and single-minded they are.

4 posted on 05/21/2023 4:10:27 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Kazan

This is very one sided analysis. And missing the obvious counter.

Well if Bahkmut is valuable please state what the value is? The only value at this point is symbolic which does matter, but of strategic value not much for either side. Except for who lost more people and at what proportion.

Depending on who you believe Ukraine either took a lot more casualties than Russia or Russia took more than Ukraine.

But common sense says the defender loses less than the offense.


8 posted on 05/21/2023 4:17:51 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Kazan

Not behind paywall, article cited
But Simplicious does great work…and has a tip jar

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-52023-bakhmut-falls-artemovsk


10 posted on 05/21/2023 4:18:31 PM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Kazan

The cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias is strong in this thread.


17 posted on 05/21/2023 4:27:07 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: Kazan

reminds me of oak ( joke ) Island

drill another hole over here


18 posted on 05/21/2023 4:27:58 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: Kazan

Russia’s delusions about being a superpower are now obvious to the rest of the world.


20 posted on 05/21/2023 4:30:06 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Kazan

Delusions??? Muskovy has been an existential threat to every neighboring country for centuries. They learned how from the Mongols.


25 posted on 05/21/2023 4:36:49 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Kazan

This guy notes some of that delusion by the West.

BAKHMUT HAS FALLEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGsfrtQE4A&ab_channel=HistoryLegends


28 posted on 05/21/2023 4:44:43 PM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

Speaking of delusions, Larry Johnson claimed the US would lose a head-to-head conventional war with Russia. Meanwhile, 15 months into this 3-day war, Russia is stalemated mostly along the lines it established in the first days of its surprise attack. With Ukraine, of all countries, which is using its own worn out Soviet-era gear and near scrap date Western gear and ammunition doled out in tiny quantities.

Note that during the Vietnam War, North Vietnam received 500 late model fighter jets and 2000 tanks, as a Russian government website acknowledges. And in that war, Vietnamese communists had an almost unbroken record of failure in terms of warding Uncle Sam off with respect to any real estate he wanted to take or hold. Whereas Ukraine has not only kept the Russians from advancing further, it has pushed the Russians back - from Kiev’s outskirts, Kharkov’s outskirts and Kherson.

https://www.rbth.com/history/332396-how-soviets-fought-against-americans


https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/02/10/going-to-war-with-russia-may-be-suicide-for-u-s-larry-johnson/
[ February 10, 2022
CST17:31 (GMT) -0500

Published by: Pavel López Lazo

The Joe Biden Administration stands on the threshold of launching America into a war with Russia that we will lose. Most Americans have swallowed the propaganda that our military is the best in the world and head and shoulders above Russia and can easily handle Putin’s forces, according to a report signed by expert Larry Johnson.

Mr. Johnson also added ¨Yes, we have some remarkable capabilities and some very brave, capable men and women. But the risks of getting into combat with Russian forces who are fighting on their home turf are enormous.

Here is the truth. The United States has not fought a real Army and Air Force in the last 50 years. The Vietnam War was the last time we fought a genuine Army and we failed to win that contest.

In saying this I am not disparaging the grit and sacrifice of the soldiers, sailors, marines and aviators who fought and died in Vietnam. They were betrayed by military and political leaders who lied about the war and used those lies to rally a majority of Americans to support a hopeless military mission.

In the intervening fifty years America has sent its military forces to “fight” in Honduras, Grenada, Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq, Panama, Somalia, Libya, Syria and Afghanistan.

We have not fought a single country with a legitimate air force or functioning army. And we have not prevailed in all of those contests. Anyone prepared to argue that we won victories in Somalia or Afghanistan? Give it your best shot.]


40 posted on 05/21/2023 5:22:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Kazan

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58 posted on 05/21/2023 6:55:38 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: Kazan

I suspect Russia lost twice as many men as Ukraine in the fight over Bakhmut partially due to being an attacking force but mainly due to poor unit level leadership.

Bear in mind that the men Ukraine lost were mainly top notch and many of the dead Russians were convicts trying to win their freedom.

I also suspect Russia is going to retrain their forces so its casualties will be lower.


68 posted on 05/21/2023 7:12:26 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kazan

The USA sends $150 Billion to Ukraine.

Ukraine can’t even hold Bakhmut.


69 posted on 05/21/2023 7:14:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: Kazan

The US news media coverage of the war compares poorly to that of India, France and many other countries.


74 posted on 05/21/2023 7:26:22 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kazan

MARKED...... THANKS


80 posted on 05/21/2023 8:26:57 PM PDT by piroque ("When the SHTF I'm gonna hunker down until all those idiots kill each other. " )
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To: Kazan

Charles Kupchan is hard to stomach for too long of a period of time. I had to finally cut him off, because all he was spewing forth were out right lies.


81 posted on 05/21/2023 8:38:52 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Kazan

If only the Putinistas on this site met the same fate as Lord Haw Haw: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw


94 posted on 05/22/2023 2:28:15 PM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Kazan

OH SH*T, NATO escalates war in Ukraine with attack in Belgorod, Russia using US weapons | Redacted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb-5djUAnkc&ab_channel=Redacted


107 posted on 05/23/2023 5:01:29 AM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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