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Jordon Peterson Video: The Monster Behind Gender Theory, and the Atrocious Lie He Based It On
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2023 | Jordon Peterson

Posted on 05/03/2023 11:42:44 AM PDT by spirited irish

“As a psychology student in the early 80s I attended a lecture by John Money. He openly bragged about his “success” at gender reassignment and talked extensively about these twins. After the lecture we went to dinner at a local restaurant where I sat directly across from John Money and we had a conversation during which he constantly alluded to sexual acts, genitalia, odd attractions, and fetishes. It made me very uncomfortable as a young student which he seemed to enjoy. I remember it to this day. I am 62 years old. In my opinion this man was truly evil.” Cee Cee, a viewer

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1 posted on 05/03/2023 11:42:44 AM PDT by spirited irish
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I watched this interview a few days ago. I cannot believe Dr Money 1. attempted what he did, 2.got away with it with no repercussions.


2 posted on 05/03/2023 11:53:35 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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3 posted on 05/03/2023 11:54:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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In the 50’s there were several births where the genitalia was somehow mis-formed. In a few cases, they cut it off and raised the child as a girl. It always ended in suicide. So they stopped doing it.

People need to go through the maturation process. Then they can do what they want. But surgeons and hormone pill pushers should come with a black warning label. They are doing things by trail and error. With most people in the error column.


4 posted on 05/03/2023 11:54:55 AM PDT by poinq
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Can’t smoke or drink until age 21. Same should go on these decisions
Leave the kids alone!


5 posted on 05/03/2023 3:00:36 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: spirited irish

Transcript (view on You Tube, pause vid, hit CC, hit ... on bottom and hit Show Transcript, then hit vertical dots on right and hit toggle time stamps (unless you want them), and then mouse dray copy and paste):

he had his theory uh and he didn’t have
any way of proving it because I mean how
do you prove something like that you
until uh until this family showed up at
his doorstep
um and it was a uh family Canadian
family from Winnipeg I think right
um I think that’s yeah yeah and they
were the reamer family a blue collar
very young couple 20 21 years old
um
and they had a horrific tragedy in their
family which is that they gave birth to
twin boys the boys were fine and when
the boys were well actually they had
phymosis phimosis is a
um abnormality of the
um opening the the opening of the
urethra and so the doctors recommended a
circumcision for the boys and they went
in when they were eight months old for
circumcision and uh the first boy to go
in for the circumcision was Bruce
and the um
the
equipment uh
the equipment there was a a malfunction
of the equipment and they were
cauterizing
the the penis in order to circumcise it
and instead of just that small amount of
tissue that was supposed to be
cauterized
apparently the the uh you know the
settings were Incorrect and the entire
penis was burnt
so Bruce’s penis was burnt
um
you know beyond any functionality
so these poor parents went home
the other the other boy was not
circumcised just obviously
they went home and what are they
supposed to do
they have a boy without a penis
what the hell are they supposed to do
so months later
they were
um watching television
and John money happened to be on there
and you have to know also that John
money was an extremely
pompous
um uh
self-assured individual he was
sophisticated uh when he talked you
listened
um
he came across as being definitive being
you know calling the shots knowing
knowing what was going on knowing the
research knowing the truth
and he
he in this interview on television
said that a boy can be raised as a girl
and a girl can be raised as a boy
if it’s caught if if it’s done early
enough
and that um
early enough means before the age of two
and a half or three
um and and the parents the reamer
parents immediately
uh took note of that and they thought
here here’s the answer
this this is the answer for for Bruce
this is what we’re supposed to do
so they contacted uh Dr money down in uh
in Baltimore
and they and they made an appointment
and took the twins down to Baltimore and
went down there
again you have to understand that this
was a uneducated young blue-collar
family and when they were interviewed
later about their meetings with John
money
um they described him as like we just
thought he was God
we just thought you know this is I mean
he’s a professor and he’s you know got
all the diplomas and he’s the head of
this uh this this entire clinic at a at
an outstanding University one of the
major universities uh in in the world
that was a Johns Hopkins right yes yes
so you have to imagine this young couple
coming and they’re at a loss and they
are looking for an answer they’ve been
praying they’re looking for an answer to
their prayers what are we going to do
with Bruce
and John money says well we have an
answer for you
because male and female is actually not
related to chromosomes it’s not related
to hormones
it’s not innate
we can take little Bruce and
we have to do some surgery on Bruce we
have to castrate him
and we’ll remove his testicles he
already didn’t have a penis we’re going
to remove his testicles we’re gonna make
we’re gonna fashion you know some sort
of
um Elementary sort of female genitalia
you’re gonna give him a girl’s name
and you’re gonna put him in pink dresses
and give him dolls and raise them as a
girl
and you are never ever Dr money told the
parents never to tell him that this was
truly what happened and and you know
after he was born never tell him because
that will ruin everything
and it’s up to you
you have to just work your hardest to
raise him as a girl and make sure that
everyone around him is Raising is
considering him a girl because
essentially he is a girl
and so Not only was this the answer to
the reamers prayers this was as you can
understand now the answer to Dr money’s
prayers right right he had an experiment
this was the experiment this was his
proof of concept
his concept
was that being male and female is
completely separate from biology it’s
imposed by Society it’s a social
construct
and this was his proof of concept
and so
the reamers went home well he had his
surgery
uh they took him home they named uh they
named Bruce Brenda
they put him in All the Girls clothing
and they gave him dolls and they you
know they did all the all the things and
he peed sitting down sometimes
because as we’ll learn later he actually
preferred urinating standing up which is
astonishing
we learned later
that he always wanted to urinate
standing up
hmm
and from the time he was in
diapers
I think
he was told he was a girl
so that really is fascinating but anyway
um so they took him home raised him as a
girl and uh Dr money started to follow
the twins every year they would come
down for a visit
um the parents would spend time
speaking to Dr money and then the money
I mean the money
there’s a slick Freudian slip for you
yeah
Dr money would take the twins without
the parents
into his office and spend time with the
twins
so this went on for years
and Dr money began to report on his
study that became a famous landmark
study
um and he called them uh uh he called
her Joan in his in his study he was
beginning to write about this and
lecture and he was claiming that Joan
uh AKA Brenda AKA Bruce was doing great
I mean uh she was adjusting she was she
may be a bit of a tomboy he he would
acknowledge that but in every way you
know she was adjusting and she was doing
well with friends and with schools and
she liked playing with dolls and she uh
would mimic her mom and he was giving
this glowing glowing report from year to
year and in his um in his uh you know
professional writing of his his studies
his report and he was giving talks and
he was getting you might imagine
tremendous attention for this
I mean you have to understand this was
by now maybe uh you know the early 60s
this is feminism okay this is the sexual
Revolution this is a time when Society
um or or at least part of society wanted
nothing more to say that male and female
is a social construct
and that in order to gain you know full
equality women have to be considered the
same as men
and
you know to have a study such as this
study of John money’s in which he was
reporting that this baby who was XY you
know normal chromosomes normal
everything biologically but is being
successfully raised as a girl because he
has a girl’s name and girls and dresses
and dolls and all you know his entire
Society his teachers and his
grandparents and everyone is reinforcing
the idea that he’s a delicate
girl who who who likes to cook and you
know is going to grow up to have babies
I mean this was huge
now
um what happened is that this theory of
John Monies
um became
was accepted
over over the decades we didn’t find out
what really happened with the twins
until decades later
um and in the meantime in during those
decades his theory was became Doctrine
okay his theory became just baked into
um you know so many fields of uh both
soft and hard science
so that it it was standard that whenever
you had
um for example an X Y uh or any any
trial that that had ambiguous genitalia
if they could be raised as a girl they’d
be raised as a girl so they’d be
castrated just automatically why because
of the great success because of what
John money
um proved to us proved to us and so lots
and lots of boys all over the world I
mean this was written into the
you know the textbooks of endocrinology
and the textbooks of uh genetics I mean
this became a truth so to speak not that
there weren’t people uh you know other
other scientists that were standing up
and and saying uh John we know this
isn’t proven yet you know let’s look a
little closer I don’t this is not
necessarily the case but what did he do
he wouldn’t tolerate that
John money uh you know was a tyrant he
would not tolerate another uh uh
psychologist or or biologist or
geneticist standing up and trying to
publish something that would challenge
uh his great gender theory he would he
he would arrange you know he would
intimidate the um the editors at the
scientific journals to not publish those
articles
it’s a lot of what’s actually going on
right now is very similar
right so right um so what happened with
the twins is that uh after decades
uh in fact John money wrote a book in
1997 in which he said yet again
that his twin study
um that his that his gender Theory had
been uh confirmed and supported by the
results of this experiment with the
twins and the following one one person
experiment by the way a one-person yeah
but even that one person it didn’t work
okay so in 1990 right yeah so in 1998
um uh
what do we call them now not Brenda not
Bruce but what happened is that we’ve we
we we discovered that he he stood up and
he said
he he just blew the cover of this whole
thing was a hoax and he his name was now
David Brenda had become David
and he was not only not only a man but
he was married to a woman with uh and he
had adopted three stepchildren and he
worked as a janitor in a slaughterhouse
so that was David David reamer and
people can go onto YouTube and hear him
being interviewed about his experience
of what it was like to be told
um for 14 years of his life
that he’s a girl and to never ever ever
feel that that was that that was his
truth to and and
um what happened is that during all
those years he he was not happy with his
dresses and with his dolls uh he was he
was he wanted to go play with his
brother’s tours he wanted to
um pee standing up he wanted to uh you
know he was rough he was he he he was he
was so boyish that an aggressive that um
kids called him uh
cave woman
okay they made fun of him because the
way the way that he walked and his
gestures and his interests were all so
masculine and he was a miserable child
and the and the family was miserable and
on top of everything when he was going
back when the family was going back for
those yearly visits to Johns Hopkins
with Dr money Dr money was sexually
abusing those twins okay how
he was forcing them to undress and
um to uh to mimic sexual intercourse and
he would say you know this is how this
is what men and women do together and he
would you know humiliate them and show
them pictures and the point came why did
they stop going down to Johns Hopkins
the boys refused to go
they refused to go back to see Dr money
and the parents couldn’t understand why
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what happened to David Reimer what
happened did David Reimer committed
suicide eventually didn’t he
yeah
yeah yes so that’s that’s the denouement
of that particularly true and and his
twins so Not only was this a failure it
was a and go ahead oh no it was a
disaster
terrible disaster he committed suicide
and his twin brother died of an of an
opiate overdose
before him his twin died first
the entire family was
you know what
what are the what kind of words what I
mean traumatized it’s not enough
trauma is not enough to describe what
that family went through my parents
didn’t know a lot that was going on
and if they would have known
that would never would have happened
why me not saying anything
the medical community
was under the impression that my case
was a success story
I was shocked when I heard that people
thought that my case was a success story
so so what we should point out here is
that that uh this experiment couldn’t
possibly have gone more cataclysmically
wrong than it did right Not only was
what money was saying was not true in
the technical scientific sense it was an
anti-truth and he falsified the data and
it culminated in the death of two people
the demolition of a family and the
perversion of an entire culture that’s
and John money’s Legacy and and he never
he never publicly acknowledged it
he never publicly acknowledged that um
the twins had uh well that one of the I
don’t know what the John money died I
think in 2006 and I think he had
dementia but when the book came out and
uh when John colopinto’s book came out
that that just like exposed this whole
Calamity there was nothing from John
money he was still alive he could have
made a statement
nothing
I’m just saying that that’s just another
you know
indication of what the morality the
immorality of this person and the you
know the the lack of of acknowledgment
you know of that of what they’re guilty
of doing I mean you know I guess it’s
too much to expect


6 posted on 05/03/2023 3:34:37 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Roos_Girl

And both twins committed suicide as adults. John Money wasa depraved monster!


7 posted on 05/03/2023 4:21:57 PM PDT by boxlunch (Red State, kick the fednazis OUT of red states! Will it be nullification or secession???)
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To: boxlunch

Yes, and no wonder they did after everything the depraved monster did to them


8 posted on 05/03/2023 4:46:31 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: spirited irish
Transcript (view on You Tube, pause vid, hit CC, hit ... on bottom and hit Show Transcript, then hit vertical dots on right and hit toggle time stamps (unless you want them), and then mouse dray copy and paste). Formatted (by me and ad removed and a few words) version:

He [John Money] had his theory uh and he didn’t have any way of proving it because I mean how do you prove something like that you until uh until this family showed up at his doorstep

um and it was a uh family Canadian family from Winnipeg I think right um I think that’s yeah yeah and they were the reamer family a blue collar very young couple 20 21 years old um

and they had a horrific tragedy in their family which is that they gave birth to twin boys the boys were fine and when the boys were well actually they had phymosis

phimosis is a um abnormality of the um opening the the opening of the urethra and so the doctors recommended a circumcision for the boys

and they went in when they were eight months old for circumcision and uh the first boy to go in for the circumcision was Bruce

and the um the equipment uh the equipment there was a a malfunction of the equipment and they were cauterizing the the penis in order to circumcise it

and instead of just that small amount of tissue that was supposed to be cauterized apparently the the uh you know the settings were Incorrect and the entire penis was burnt ... you know beyond any functionality

so these poor parents went home

the other the other boy was not circumcised just obviously they went home and what are they supposed to do they have a boy without a penis...

so months later they were um watching television and John Money happened to be on there and you have to know also that John Money was an extremely pompous um uh self-assured individual he was sophisticated uh when he talked you listened

um he came across as being definitive being you know calling the shots knowing knowing what was going on knowing the research knowing the truth

and he he in this interview on television said that a boy can be raised as a girl and a girl can be raised as a boy if it’s caught if if it’s done early enough

and that um early enough means before the age of two and a half or three

um and and the parents the reamer parents immediately uh took note of that and they thought here here’s the answer this this is the answer for for Bruce this is what we’re supposed to do

so they contacted uh Dr Money down in uh in Baltimore and they and they made an appointment and took the twins down to Baltimore and went down there

again you have to understand that this was a uneducated young blue-collar family and when they were interviewed later about their meetings with John money um they described him as like we just thought he was God

we just thought you know this is I mean he’s a professor and he’s you know got all the diplomas and he’s the head of this uh this this entire clinic at a at an outstanding University one of the major universities uh in in the world that was a Johns Hopkins

right yes yes so you have to imagine this young couple coming and they’re at a loss and they are looking for an answer they’ve been praying they’re looking for an answer to their prayers what are we going to do with Bruce and John

Money says well we have an answer for you because male and female is actually not related to chromosomes it’s not related to hormones it’s not innate we can take little Bruce and we have to do some surgery on Bruce we have to castrate him

and we’ll remove his testicles he already didn’t have a penis we’re going to remove his testicles we’re gonna make we’re gonna fashion you know some sort of um Elementary sort of female..

you’re gonna give him a girl’s name and you’re gonna put him in pink dresses and give him dolls and raise them as a girl

and you are never ever Dr Money told the parents never to tell him that this was truly what happened and and you know after he was born never tell him because that will ruin everything

and it’s up to you you have to just work your hardest to raise him as a girl and make sure that everyone around him is Raising is considering him a girl because essentially he is a girl..

Not only was this the answer to the reamers prayers this was as you can understand now the answer to Dr money’s prayers

right right he had an experiment this was the experiment this was his proof of concept

his concept was that being male and female is completely separate from biology it’s imposed by Society it’s a social construct and this was his proof of concept

and so the reamers went home well he had his surgery uh they took him home they named uh they named Bruce Brenda

they put him in All the Girls clothing and they gave him dolls and they you know they did all the all the things and he peed sitting down

sometimes

because as we’ll learn later he actually preferred urinating standing up which is astonishing we learned later that he always wanted to urinate standing up< hmm

and from the time he was in diapers I think he was told he was a girl so that really is fascinating but anyway um so they took him home raised him as a girl

and uh Dr Money started to follow the twins every year they would come down for a visit um the parents would spend time speaking to Dr Money

and then... Dr Money would take the twins without the parents into his office and spend time with the twins

so this went on for years and Dr Money began to report on his study that became a famous landmark study

um and he called them uh uh he called her Joan in his in his study he was beginning to write about this and lecture and he was claiming that Joan uh AKA Brenda AKA Bruce was doing great I mean uh she was adjusting she was she may be a bit of a tomboy

he he would acknowledge that but in every way you know she was adjusting and she was doing well with friends and with schools and she liked playing with dolls and she uh would mimic her mom

and he was giving this glowing glowing report from year to year and in his um in his uh you know professional writing of his his studies his report

and he was giving talks and he was getting you might imagine tremendous attention for this I mean you have to understand this was by now maybe uh you know the early 60s

this is feminism okay this is the sexual Revolution this is a time when Society um or or at least part of society wanted nothing more to say that male and female is a social construct

and that in order to gain you know full equality women have to be considered the same as men

and you know to have a study such as this study of John money’s in which he was reporting that this baby who was XY you know normal chromosomes normal everything biologically

but is being successfully raised as a girl because he has a girl’s name and girls and dresses and dolls

and all you know his entire Society his teachers and his grandparents and everyone is reinforcing the idea that he’s a delicate girl who who who likes to cook and you know is going to grow up to have babies

I mean this was huge now um what happened is that this theory of John Monies um became was accepted over over the decades we didn’t find out what really happened with the twins until decades later

um and in the meantime in during those decades his theory was became Doctrine

okay his theory became just baked into um you know so many fields of uh both soft and hard science so that it it was standard that whenever you had um for example an X Y uh or any any trial that that had ambiguous genitalia if they could be raised as a girl they’d be raised as a girl so they’d be castrated just automatically

why because of the great success because of what John money um proved to us proved to us and so lots and lots of boys all over the world

I mean this was written into the you know the textbooks of endocrinology and the textbooks of uh genetics I mean this became a truth so to speak

not that there weren’t people uh you know other other scientists that were standing up and and saying uh John we know this isn’t proven yet you know let’s look a little closer I don’t this is not necessarily the case

but what did he do he wouldn’t tolerate that John Money uh you know was a tyrant he would not tolerate another uh uh psychologist or or biologist or geneticist standing up and trying to publish something that would challenge uh his great gender theory

he would he he would arrange you know he would intimidate the um the editors at the scientific journals to not publish those articles

it’s a lot of what’s actually going on right now is very similar right so right um so what happened with the twins is that uh after decades

uh in fact John Money wrote a book in 1997 in which he said yet again that his twin study um that his that his gender Theory had been uh confirmed and supported by the results of this experiment with the twins and the following one one person experiment

by the way a one-person yeah but even that one person it didn’t work

okay so in 1990 right yeah so in 1998 um uh what do we call them now not Brenda not Bruce but what happened is that we’ve we we we discovered that he he stood up and he said he he just blew the cover of this whole thing was a hoax

and he his name was now David Brenda had become David and he was not only not only a man but he was married to a woman with uh and he had adopted three stepchildren and he worked as a janitor in a slaughterhouse

so that was David David reamer and people can go onto YouTube and hear him being interviewed about his experience of what it was like to be told um for 14 years of his life that he’s a girl and to never ever ever feel that that was that that was his truth to

and and um what happened is that during all those years he he was not happy with his dresses and with his dolls

uh he was he was he wanted to go play with his brother’s tours he wanted to um pee standing up he wanted to uh you know he was rough he was he he he was he was so boyish that an aggressive that um kids called him uh cave woman

okay they made fun of him because the way the way that he walked and his gestures and his interests were all so masculine and he was a miserable child and the and the family was miserable

and on top of everything when he was going back when the family was going back for those yearly visits to Johns Hopkins with Dr Money Dr Money was sexually abusing those twins okay

how he was forcing them to undress and um to uh to mimic sexual intercourse and he would say you know this is how this is what men and women do together and he would you know humiliate them and show them pictures

and the point came why did they stop going down to Johns Hopkins the boys refused to go they refused to go back to see Dr money and the parents couldn’t understand why

what happened to David Reimer what happened did David Reimer committed suicide eventually didn’t he yeah yeah yes

so that’s that’s the denouement of that particularly true and and his twins

so Not only was this a failure it was a and go ahead oh no it was a disaster terrible disaster he committed suicide

and his twin brother died of an of an opiate overdose before him his twin died first

the entire family was you know what what are the what kind of words what I mean traumatized it’s not enough trauma is not enough to describe what that family went through

[insert: David Reamer speaking my parents didn’t know a lot that was going on and if they would have known that would never would have happened why me not saying anything the medical community was under the impression that my case was a success story

I was shocked when I heard that people thought that my case was a success story]

so so what we should point out here is that that uh this experiment couldn’t possibly have gone more cataclysmically wrong than it did

right Not only was what Money was saying was not true in the technical scientific sense it was an anti-truth

and he falsified the data and it culminated in the death of two people the demolition of a family and the perversion of an entire culture

that’s and John money’s Legacy and and he never he never publicly acknowledged it he never publicly acknowledged that ...

John Money died I think in 2006 and I think he had dementia but when the book came out and uh when John colopinto’s book came out that that just like exposed this whole Calamity

there was nothing from John Money he was still alive he could have made a statement nothing I’m just saying that that’s just another you know indication of what the morality the immorality of this person

and the you know the the lack of of acknowledgment you know of that of what they’re guilty of doing I mean you know I guess it’s too much to expect

9 posted on 05/03/2023 6:18:58 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: spirited irish; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; ...
... most millennials don’t know the man who invented the terms “gender identity,” “sexual orientation,” and “gender role.” Unfortunately, the story behind those terms is a dark one The boy who was raised a girl...in the 1960s, a case which ended in tragedy.
Twins Bruce and Brian Reimer were born in Canada as two perfectly normal boys. But after seven months, both were having difficulty urinating. Acting on advice, the parents, Janet and Ron, took the boys to the hospital for a circumcision. The next morning, they received a devastating phone call - Bruce had been involved in an accident. Doctors had used a cauterizing needle instead of a blade, and the electrical equipment had malfunctioned and the surge in current had completely burned off Bruce's penis. "I could not comprehend what he was talking about," Janet Reimer remembered. "I thought they were going to use a knife. I didn't know there was electricity involved." Brian's operation was cancelled, and the Reimers took their twins home.

Ideal experiment- https://www.bbc.com/news/health-11814300

Enter

psychologist John Money in the 1950s and '60s. Money shown here is a photo from The Kinsey Institute (Jose Villarrubia/The Kinsey Institute)



a New Zealand-American sexologist whose groundbreaking work with intersex and transgender people was enormously influential in shaping today's attitudes and discussions about gender and sexuality... .

Considered both brilliant and controversial, he wrote 500 papers and 40 books. He was prolific in the world of academia, as well as the mass media. Money began clinical work with people who are intersex — or born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the typical definitions of female or male — at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School. He moved to Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore in 1951. "Money believed that without obviously male or female genitalia, the child could not function well socially," author Terry Goldie told The Sunday Edition guest host Rachel Giese. - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/the-story-of-john-money-controversial-sexologist-grappled-with-the-concept-of-gender-1.3137670
The parents, concerned about their son's prospects for future happiness and sexual function without a penis, took him to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore in early 1967 to see John Money,[10] a psychologist who was developing a reputation as a pioneer in the field of sexual development and gender identity, based on his work with intersex patients.[11] Money was a prominent proponent of the "theory of gender neutrality"—that gender identity developed primarily as a result of social learning from early childhood and that it could be changed with the appropriate behavioural interventions.[12] The Reimers had seen Money being interviewed in February 1967 on the Canadian news program This Hour Has Seven Days, during which he discussed his theories about gender.[13]
At the time, surgical construction of the vagina was more advanced than construction of the penis, and Money believed that Reimer would be happiest in adulthood living as a woman with functioning genitalia.[14][15] Additionally, for Money, a case where identical twin boys were involved where one could be raised as a girl provided a perfect test of his theories.[16][17]
Money and the Hopkins family team persuaded the baby's parents that sex reassignment surgery would be in Reimer's best interest.[18] At the age of 22 months, David underwent a bilateral orchidectomy, in which his testes were surgically removed and a rudimentary vulva was fashioned.[19] David was reassigned to be raised as female and given the name Brenda (similar to his birth name, "Bruce").[20]

He was forced to wear dresses and was directed to engage in typical female norms, such as playing with dolls and mingling with other girls. Throughout his childhood, David was never informed that he was biologically male and that he was an experimental subject in a controversial investigation to bolster Money’s belief in the theory of gender neutrality – that nurture, not nature, determines gender identity and sexual orientation. David’s twin brother, Brian, served as the ideal control because the brothers had the same genetic makeup, but one was raised as a girl and the other as a boy. Money continued to see David and Brian for consultations and check ups annually. - https://www.simplypsychology.org/David-Reimer.html

Psychological support for the reassignment and surgery was provided by[21] John Money, who continued to see Reimer annually[22] for consultations and to assess the outcome.[23] This reassignment was considered an especially important test case[24] of the social learning concept of gender identity for two reasons: first, Reimer's identical twin brother, Brian, made an ideal control because the brothers shared genes, family environments, and the intrauterine environment; second, this was reputed to be the first reassignment and reconstruction performed on a male infant who had no abnormality of prenatal or early postnatal sexual differentiation.[1]
According to John Colapinto, who published a biography of Reimer in 2001, the sessions with Money included what Money called "childhood sexual rehearsal play":[25] ...Starting at age six... " On at least one occasion" Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities.[25] When either child resisted these activities, Money would get angry. Both Reimer and Brian recall that Money was mild-mannered around their parents, but ill-tempered when alone with them. When they resisted inspecting each other's genitals, Money got very aggressive..." Both Reimer and Brian were traumatized by the therapy,[25][26] with Brian speaking about it "only with the greatest emotional turmoil", and Reimer unwilling to speak about the details publicly, although his wife, Jane Fontane, stated that Reimer had privately told her the same story.[25] Estrogen was given to David during adolescence, inducing breast development.[29]
The twins attended Glenwood School in Winnipeg, with David then attending R.B. Russell Vocational High School, from the age of 14. He eventually ceased attending the school and was tutored privately.[14] For several years, Money reported on Reimer's progress as the "John/Joan case". Money wrote, "The child's behavior is so clearly that of an active little girl and so different from the boyish ways of her twin brother."[30]
By the age of 13 years, Reimer was experiencing suicidal depression and he told his parents he would take his own life if they made him see Money again.[31] Finally, on 14 March 1980, Reimer's parents told him the truth about his gender reassignment,[32] following advice from Reimer's endocrinologist and psychiatrist. At 14, having been informed of his past by his father, Reimer decided to assume a male gender identity, calling himself David. He underwent treatment to reverse the reassignment, including testosterone injections, a double mastectomy, and phalloplasty operations.[33][34]

David was never happy as a girl. He rejected his female identity and experienced severe gender dysphoria . He would complain to his parents and teachers that he felt like a boy and would refuse to wear dresses or play with dolls. He was severely bullied in school and experienced suicidal depression throughout adolescence. Upon learning about the truth about his birth and sex of rearing from his father at the age of 15, David assumed a male gender identity, calling himself David. He underwent treatments to reverse the assignment such as testosterone injections and surgeries to remove his breasts and reconstruct a penis. David married a woman named Jane at the age of 22 and adopted three children. He couldn't have children himself, but he loved being a stepfather to his wife's three children. - https://www.simplypsychology.org/David-Reimer.html

Yet what David did not know was that he had still been immortalised as 'John/Jane' in medical and academic papers about gender reassignment, and that the "success" of Dr Money's theory was affecting other patients with similar gender issues... Now well into his thirties, David had become depressed. He'd lost his job and he was separated from his wife. In the spring of 2002 his brother died from a drug overdose. Two years later on 4 May 2004, when David was 38, Janet and Ron had a visit from the police. David had committed suicide. - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-11814300

Reimer's parents state that Money's methodology was responsible for both deaths.[27]
His case came to international attention in 1997 when he told his story to Milton Diamond, an academic sexologist who persuaded Reimer to allow him to report the outcome in order to dissuade physicians from treating other infants similarly.[2] Soon after, Reimer went public with his story and John Colapinto published a widely disseminated and influential account[40] in Rolling Stone magazine in December 1997.[41] The article won the National Magazine Award for Reporting.[42]
This was later expanded into The New York Times best-selling biography As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl (2000),[43] in which Colapinto described how—contrary to Money's reports—when living as Brenda, Reimer did not identify as a girl. He was ostracized and bullied by peers (who dubbed him "cavewoman"),[7][44] and neither frilly dresses[45] nor female hormones made him feel female.
For the first 30 years after Money's initial report that the reassignment had been a success, Money's view of the malleability of gender became the dominant viewpoint among physicians and doctors, reassuring them that sexual reassignment was the correct decision in certain instances.[51] Researcher Mary Anne Case argues that Money's view on gender also fuelled the rise of the anti-gender movement.[52] Money never commented publicly on Colapinto's book or on Reimer's suicide before his death, although colleagues said he was "mortified" by the case.[28] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer [restructured]

10 posted on 05/03/2023 7:38:25 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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We executed Nazi doctors for less.


11 posted on 05/03/2023 8:01:06 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: daniel1212
...given the name Brenda (similar to his birth name, "Bruce").

In other news; Bruce has changed his name to Caitlyn Marie.

12 posted on 05/03/2023 8:49:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

I remember reading this...
The lies and perversion of ‘Dr.’ MONEY
are probably written as scripture in the Gay cult.


13 posted on 05/03/2023 8:58:33 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Elsie
In other news; Bruce has changed his name to Caitlyn Marie.

When he did, I lost ALL THE RESPECT I had for him.

14 posted on 05/03/2023 9:16:51 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: daniel1212

Oprah Winfrey actually interviewed the mother and Bruce...
It’s up on YouTube.


15 posted on 05/03/2023 9:27:58 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Elsie

By the way bro, I have never heard, what Mrs Kardashian thought about that. I have a feeling, she had an opinion, but I never heard it.


16 posted on 05/03/2023 10:44:25 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: Mark17
The Jenners announced their separation in October 2013,[48][49] and on September 22, 2014, Kris filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences.[50]

I'd say so!

17 posted on 05/04/2023 6:39:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mark17

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2015/05/bruce-jenner-sexual-gender-reassignment-surgery-legally-woman/

Legally???


18 posted on 05/04/2023 6:40:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Big Red Badger
I remember reading this... The lies and perversion of ‘Dr.’ MONEY are probably written as scripture in the Gay cult.

And the reason the account can actually be found in the established MSM is due to it being printed before gender dysphoria and transurgery become politically correct and much protected from critical analysis and reporting. If this occurred today it would be suppressed.

19 posted on 05/04/2023 6:52:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Elsie

Definitely irreconcilable differences. How on earth did he broach the subject with her?


20 posted on 05/04/2023 3:41:14 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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