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Energy Prices: There has to be a tipping point
self | jimjohn

Posted on 06/10/2022 10:39:54 AM PDT by jimjohn

This is going out mainly to the truckers out there, but everyone should start thinking about this: Is there a certain point – a price per gallon if you will, where the wheels start falling off the supply chains, the economy, etc. to the point of no return?

A few weeks ago, I was talking with friends both on and offline; trying to calculate a number in which owner-operators and small fleets simply could no longer afford to operate under the current D.O.T. rules. If/When that happens, by logic, we assume one of more the following would take place:

1. Independent drivers (and small fleets) simply stop driving as they required compensation could no longer compete with other fleet drivers. Mind you, the stats say independents are only 9% of the trucking workforce. But along with the smaller fleets, they haul enough tonnage to make a major difference.

2. Work stoppage actions to force profitable compensation. Last thing we need during on-going supply chain issues.

3. Drivers are forced to ignore D.O.T. rules to maintain profitability.

4. Supply lines get limited to those that can make payment – which will have a domino effect to hurt the poorer, urban areas first, followed by suburban areas.

Without going through all the math, we came up with a number of about $7.50 a gallon for diesel. This number will fluctuate based on the local economy. If there is sudden diesel supply shortage (read: someone or something blows up another diesel refinery), that number will drop. Regardless, this number listed above we predict will set off a chain of events (with emphasis on #4).

Yes, just diesel. I’m not even talking about the price for regular unleaded. Remember, it takes diesel to get unleaded to your local gas pump. And if you find this black pill is hard to swallow, allow me to add a few elements to help it go down easier:

* expected violence upon official abortion ruling (and/or another "Summer of Love")

* full throated invasion into our southern border

* lack of fertilizer for the next harvest (read: food shortages)

* the government’s next attempt at lockdowns before November’s election

* this administration’s refusal to look at the geo-political reality here and around the world.

Now, to be clear: I see NOTHING preventing enough upheavals in the next 4-5 months to prevent a complete breakdown of society as we know it (a.k.a The Purge: When Life Imitates Art – Film at 11). That is, unless there is an abrupt and major course correction by state and local governments, as well as the people themselves. (Anyone see that on the horizon? Be honest.)

I believe more than enough folks have been ‘red pilled’. All it takes is the next fill-up at the gas station. Complaining, and merely speculating about ‘the worst is yet to come’ in non-productive, unless we are driving toward solutions.

So the question comes back to: at what number (or price tag) should we as Real Americans throw our hands up in the air and say to ourselves “It’s been real – we had a nice 246 year run”, and start implementing our own Great Reset, before it’s done for us (and to us)?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Food; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: anwr; bidenflation; civilunrest; conflict; diesel; dontbepoor; energy; fuel; gasoline; inflation; keystonexl; opec; supply; trucking; vanity
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To: PGR88

We know what the swamp rats think of truckers when they get too uppity.
“$7.50 a gallon for diesel”

That tipping point is here in the next week or so in my area.


41 posted on 06/10/2022 11:41:25 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Restless

During the Carter years, I had a summer job with a rent car company. My job was to sit in gas lines all day to gas up our cars prior to renting. To get around odd/even rules, I would swap out license plates.

Jimmy Carter was over his head. Obama is doing this to us on purpose. He has biden to stand in front of the cameras to take the blame.


42 posted on 06/10/2022 11:41:50 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Let's Go Brandon)
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To: Restless

Except its not O’LieDumb. Its the fools behind the curtain pulling the levers. O’LieDumb is just the one taking the blame.


43 posted on 06/10/2022 11:45:35 AM PDT by Old Yeller (A nation of sheep, produces a government of wolves.l)
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To: jimjohn

Our neighborhood gas station has been holding on 4.99 9/10 all week. Its like they know 5.00 is a bridge too far.


44 posted on 06/10/2022 11:46:09 AM PDT by mware (RETIRED)
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To: dynoman

Six peaches for $8.00 Publix Supermarket, Tampa, Florida, one week ago. How high is too high?


45 posted on 06/10/2022 11:59:08 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: jimjohn

Like to add that rumors are the Biden regime is planning to try and either postpone or greatly hinder to mail in ballots only the Mid-Term elections as some emergency will crop up and some are speculating they will declare a Global Warming National emergency as it seems the White House is planning for such an event. The ruse will be be we must shut down everything till Science can come up with a plan to control it....


46 posted on 06/10/2022 12:09:36 PM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: jimjohn

What happened this week is that Target announced that prices for their general crap—knicknacks and less essential things—will be going DOWN, markdowns, as they have too much inventory as people are focusing on food and gas only, the essentials.

So maybe that’s where we’ll be in the coming months. Buying only essentials.


47 posted on 06/10/2022 12:11:49 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: jimjohn

Lumber prices are dropping fast. That means demand is gone.


48 posted on 06/10/2022 12:15:21 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: olivia3boys

People SHOULD quit buying CRAP...the junk that hits yard sales within a few months.


49 posted on 06/10/2022 12:15:22 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: PGR88

I drove for Werner for a number of years. Im hearing lots of fuel shortages out there. The northeast may dry up. When that happens, watch out!


50 posted on 06/10/2022 12:17:21 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: who knows what evil?

I know; maybe it’s good in a way that we are all spending less on crap. I own 10 colorful flyswatters, for example. Why? They came in a package from Amazon that way and they were pretty cheap (at the time). But no one needs 10 flyswatters. . .


51 posted on 06/10/2022 12:26:18 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: olivia3boys
Keep them...maybe they work on locusts. :-)

And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Revelation 9:3

52 posted on 06/10/2022 12:31:07 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Irenic
People in Appalachia are used to getting by with very little...they are ready.

The cities? Not so much.

53 posted on 06/10/2022 12:35:31 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

In January, with a large enough Red Wave, Biden and Kamala can be impeached, leaving the new Speaker of the House as President.

Now, I believe in the Red Wave like I believe in unicorns, but maybe it can happen.


54 posted on 06/10/2022 12:41:14 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: buckalfa

Customers are still paying the increased freight rates. There have been some loads that are not being shipped (produce) because the cost of shipping is higher than the value of the load. You can probably expect there won’t be the fresh fruit available during off season now.
As far as fertilizer, we’re hauling it as fast as they use it. Some farmers around here are planning to fill up for next year. Spot price for Soybean @ Cargill Sidney, OH $18.00/BU so they can afford the costs.


55 posted on 06/10/2022 12:42:30 PM PDT by griswold3 (When chaos serves the State, the State will encourage chaos.)
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To: Old Yeller

Obama, Jarrett, Rice, Soros, Schwab...


56 posted on 06/10/2022 12:42:39 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: who knows what evil?

As my granny and mom always told me—root hog or die. We’re there.


57 posted on 06/10/2022 12:51:12 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: jimjohn
My brother is a 59 year old medium haul trucker with over a million miles driven; he lives near St. Louis. He texted our family 3 weeks ago and said he was parking his truck and knew dozens of other drivers quietly doing the same. His advice was if you see something you want or need, get it now because "the calvary isn't coming."

My husband and I stocked up on cat food since our cats need a specific type for their health, and we went to a meat packing plant and bought hundreds of pounds of meat and then bought a couple hundred pounds of rice and beans. We live on the ocean and we both fish. We figured we can live off what we have and what we are growing in our garden for a while.

I get that this is very anecdotal from someone that none of you can verify, but, again, his advice... if you need it, get it now. No one is coming to help us.

58 posted on 06/10/2022 1:07:56 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (No longer in VA. Living the OBX life now!)
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To: immadashell

Not only is it not going to go away, it’s going to get incrementally much worse. Diesel #2 here, is now $8.19/gal, up from $7.99/gal last week. Trucks will just stop running, soon enough.


59 posted on 06/10/2022 1:14:08 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: olivia3boys; All

“What happened this week is that Target announced that prices for their general crap—knicknacks and less essential things—will be going DOWN....”


I’m not an economist, but this is the first post that tangentially touched on something I wonder about—deflation. Seems I’ve heard that deflation is worse than inflation. Anybody have insights on this and how it could (or could not) apply to our futures?


60 posted on 06/10/2022 1:14:39 PM PDT by Bogle
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