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Battle Of Donbas: A Massive Tank War Could Decide Ukraine’s Fate
19FortyFive ^ | 4/10/2022 | Daniel Davis

Posted on 04/10/2022 5:40:56 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

Russia and Ukraine appear to be in the final stages of preparation to fight the Battle of Donbas, in what is shaping up to be the biggest tank battle in Europe since the decisive Battle of Kursk in World War II. The stakes for both Moscow and Kyiv couldn’t be higher. The course of the entire war could hinge on the outcome in the Donbas.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: 19fortyfivesux; blogpimp; chechens; chechnya; donbas; military; onthebrink; postandghost; putin; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraine; vladtheimploder; zottherussiantrolls
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To: faucetman

Russia has 12,000 tanks. Ukraine has 2500.


21 posted on 04/10/2022 7:24:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: ought-six

“I believe the Germans put 5,000 tanks into that battle while the Russians had 7,000. The Russians has 12,000 more on the way.”

What’s more, the Russians knew they Germans were coming, and where. Some German had the battle plan on him when his plane crashed, and the Russians got to the crash site first.


Don’t think that is accurate. A lot of reporting on Kursk was propaganda up to the fall of Soviet Union.

Germany had about 2k tanks, called off their attack on the Soviet defenses in depth after a week, and Russia launched a counter attack. It wasn’t really a tank versus tank attack to begin with, it was tanks versus fortified in depth defenses...

Part of the reason for calling off the attack, besides not breaking thru, was the need to send forces to Italy.

However, it was a huge fight, and saw Germany’s largest expenditure of ammunition during the course of the war so far.


22 posted on 04/10/2022 7:56:11 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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To: whyilovetexas111

Whatever the clown DC insider analysts declare on US mainstream media - its highly likely the Russians will do the opposite.


23 posted on 04/10/2022 7:57:32 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Sacajaweau
Russia has 12,000 tanks. Ukraine has 2500.

Had.

NBC reporter Carl Quintanilla caused quite a stir when he tweeted that Ukraine had lost 91% of their tanks.


24 posted on 04/10/2022 8:10:18 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: Geoffrey

“Don’t think that is accurate.”

It’s true. But the Russians had known about the German plans (Operation Citadel) for some time, as British Intelligence knew about it and gave that information to the Soviets. The plane crash was true, and one of the dead occupants was carrying Citadel material. That just added some confirmation.


25 posted on 04/10/2022 8:11:39 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: PIF

this one looks more detailed
lines of control look similar
both could improve their english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz4h0eHGoS8


26 posted on 04/10/2022 8:13:19 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

Not as detailed to my eye. But is very hard to find someone who speaks Russian and English that does not have some sort of accent. What they know depends on their personal sources in a large measure.


27 posted on 04/10/2022 8:31:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Drew68

The media gives the impression that Ukraine has lost just a teeny bit of their resources.


28 posted on 04/10/2022 8:33:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: ought-six
I always found this series to be the best...Concerning The Battle of Kursk.
https://youtu.be/22xpNBJCS4U
29 posted on 04/10/2022 8:34:41 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: Diogenesis

Th veracity of that claim has been questioned as the source is unknown.


30 posted on 04/10/2022 8:38:47 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: Travis McGee

I watched the video. Not having any experience regarding air support for ground combat, I refer to you which is more air support effective.


31 posted on 04/10/2022 8:45:02 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: DownInFlames

Are you aware of GLONASS? It’s the Russian equivalent to GPS. Accuracy for GLONASS is slightly less than GPS unless you are in high latitudes. It can also be better than GPS in built up areas. They also use LORAN C for ground operations.


32 posted on 04/10/2022 8:51:22 AM PDT by damper99
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To: DownInFlames
"Russia doesn’t have access to GPS satellites. They must do everything with map and compass."

Really? I thought any modern country had access to GPS.

33 posted on 04/10/2022 9:23:37 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: A Navy Vet

Russia has its own GPS GLONASS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

How good is it compared to GPS? Good question!


34 posted on 04/10/2022 9:31:28 AM PDT by Reily
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To: damper99

Russia is not behind in the GPS arena in any way.


35 posted on 04/10/2022 9:31:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: whyilovetexas111

The Ukrainians are going to be squashed like cockroaches. This has been coming for weeks while the idiots in the media focused on Kiev, which the Russians weren’t even thinking of invading.


36 posted on 04/10/2022 9:34:54 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: DownInFlames

Map and compass or charts and darts can work pretty well.

I was in a Reserve 8” bn in a Guard FA bde, 2x155mm SP bns, 2x105mm towed bns, we shot 5 or 6 times a year using chart tables with range deflection protractors, charge sticks and firing tables, FOs with radios, field phones from FDC to the batteries and we were fast and accurate.

I was in S-3/FDC and got to watch a bde TOT once, very impressive.


37 posted on 04/10/2022 9:42:22 AM PDT by skepsel ("A cat is more intelligent than people believe, and can be taught any crime", Mark Twain.)
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To: PIF

True that, but is the SU-25 REALLY the equal of the A-10?


38 posted on 04/10/2022 10:30:12 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

Well we could get some orcs in some t-80s say, and make 2 lines - then have a UA pilot and a USAF pilot make runs with the orcs shooting back. Winner gets to keep the tanks or airplane. Surviving orcs get free ice cream.

But if you are thinking of the Hwy of Death - don’t - there was no battle damage recorded for the A-10s actions - the only damages assessed came from other planes.


39 posted on 04/10/2022 11:18:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ought-six

It’s true. But the Russians had known about the German plans (Operation Citadel) for some time, as British Intelligence knew about it and gave that information to the Soviets. The plane crash was true, and one of the dead occupants was carrying Citadel material. That just added some confirmation.


I was talking about the number of tanks involved. Not the battle.


40 posted on 04/10/2022 3:07:40 PM PDT by Geoffrey
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