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1 posted on 09/03/2021 7:59:10 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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2 posted on 09/03/2021 7:59:32 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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Such a reliable source... This is complete nonsense!


3 posted on 09/03/2021 8:00:58 PM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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I read that the genetic sequencing to determine which variant you have is an expensive process and used only very selectively. How can they be determine which variant ALL people have?


5 posted on 09/03/2021 8:02:18 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Criminal democrats kill babies. Do you think anything else is a problem for them?”)
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These mRNA vaccines actually break down and destroy the body‘s natural immune system.

It’s no wonder vaccinated people are at greater risk.


8 posted on 09/03/2021 8:07:44 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I love my country. It's my government that I hate.)
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About the author....

Pro-vaccine doctor regrets getting the ‘Rona Jab

Dr Joel Hirschhorn is a doctor who has testified before Congress over fifty times during his career. He’s widely considered an unbiased medical expert who has traditionally been pro-vaccine. In fact, he even got both doses of the jab. However, after doing more research and seeing the serious side effects of the supposed mRNA “vaccine”, Dr Hirschhorn regrets getting the shot and is now touting safe and effective drugs like Ivermectin instead.

Dr Joel Hirschhorn is a widely respected doctor who has testified before Congress over fifty times over the course of his career. He spends his days reading medical journals and the latest COVID-19 data. This is a man that is not “fringe” by any means.

I’ve had the opportunity of interviewing many experts on COVID-19 and the vaccines, including Dr Lee Merritt, Pamela Popper and several others. The one criticism that I’ve heard regarding those interviews is that they are too controversial. Why can’t I get a widely respected doctor who is not saying things that are too “out there” for the mainstream? Where are those doctors? Enter Dr Joel Hirschhorn.

Dr Hirschhorn is not an “anti-vaxxer.” In fact, he’s received both doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, himself! However, after taking a deep dive into the science and side effects of the vaccines, as well as other more effective and safer treatments available, he regrets getting the mRNA injection.

He explained that HCQ and Ivermectin have been extremely effective at treating COVID-19, and has been proven through peer-reviewed papers, studies and experience in the field. Ivermectin is a drug that is widely available all around the world and is extremely safe. The mRNA “vaccines”, however, only have a limited supply and we know that there are serious side effects both short-term and potentially long-term.

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/06/dr-joel-hirschhorn-a-pro-vaccine-doctor-who-regrets-getting-the-rona-jab

Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, as a full professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, directed a medical research program between the colleges of engineering and medicine. At the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, he directed major health-related studies. He has testified at over 50 U.S. Senate and House hearings and authored hundreds of articles in journals and on websites, plus op-ed articles in major newspapers. He has been an executive volunteer at a major hospital for more than 10 years. His newest book is PandemicBlunder.

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I haven’t looked into whether, or not, he has a criminal record. I figure the usual suspects can do that.


11 posted on 09/03/2021 8:15:13 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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In the multi-hospital system I work for, fully 30% of those currently in the hospital with Covid have been vaccinated. It has recently been as high as 40%. Out of about 2000 beds in the system, there are well under 100 patients with Covid. There are only 8 Covid patients on ventilators. The dashboard does not identify how many of the Covid ventilator patients are vaccinated. This is from an up-to-the-minute dashboard that everyone who logs into our EMR can see. My daughter, a nurse in the PICU of one of these hospitals says all the news about how they are overwhelmed by Covid is nonsense. It is a huge spike of RSV they’re seeing, not Covid. The total numbers I see on the dashboard back her up.


12 posted on 09/03/2021 8:18:27 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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Here’s a link to the study....scroll to page 18...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf


13 posted on 09/03/2021 8:18:48 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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A valid comparison would be the total number of vaccinated people who died, compared to the total number of unvaccinated people who died.

Not the total number of sick people who died from each group.

And there’s a subset of people who were going to die from the very next bug to come along too.


14 posted on 09/03/2021 8:19:24 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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There are numerous reports that Israel, the most Vaccinated country on the planet, also has the highest percentage of Wuhan Virus infections on the planet.
So, given all these numerous reports, can a Wuhan Vaxx proponent please explain this in a Coherent, Medically Relevant, Logical manner to all those who say Hell No! to these Experimental Vaccines?
I must add to this that the Pioneer of mRNA as a possible cure for numerous diseases is on record telling everyone who will lsten Not to subject themselves to these Vaccines. Given this FACT, please Further Explain why we should Ignore that mans Warnings?
These are Serious Questions. I ask for Serious Answers. Thank you all in advance.


16 posted on 09/03/2021 8:21:01 PM PDT by ocrp1982 ( Bibicly)
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“Clearly, if vaccinated people die at a much higher rate than unvaccinated people”

That’s not what the data says.


17 posted on 09/03/2021 8:22:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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Vastly higher proportion of vulnerable people, such as those over 65, have been vaccinated than not. Most of the still unvaccinated are children or young people. The comparison is not between like populations.


18 posted on 09/03/2021 8:24:05 PM PDT by buwaya
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SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation (publishing.service.gov.uk)


20 posted on 09/03/2021 8:25:37 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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Public Health England

Protecting and improving the nation’s health

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and
variants under investigation in
England
Technical briefing 20
6 August 2021
This briefing provides an update on previous briefings up to 23 July 2021
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Vaccinated 402/47,008 = 0.00855173587

Unvaccinated 253/151,054 = 0.00167489771
________________________________________
pages 18-19 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf


22 posted on 09/03/2021 8:27:17 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Utter rubbish.


23 posted on 09/03/2021 8:27:29 PM PDT by dinodino ( )
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for you baseball fans..johnny bench has covid


26 posted on 09/03/2021 8:28:58 PM PDT by RummyChick (Bagram was the most logical exit point. Stand up and justify your decision (hat tip Larrytown))
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Thank you for posting this but who ever wrote the NOQ article is not schooled in data analytics and we have enough arguments without trying apples to oranges-they used a young age group to seniors-the actual research article makes the opposite argument-unvaccinated die 3x more at same age comparison.

Sorry but this noqreport article will be used against conservatives to show how they like fake news. Why? It is not a correct comparison if you go to the actual research report here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

You will see that the difference is age. 97% or 147,612 of the 151,054 unvaccinated are under 50 in a low risk group. For the vaccinated it is just 54% under 50 or 25,536

comparing just the high risk group over 50 age: for those un-vaccinated the death rate is about 6% , the vaccinated is 1.8% . Actual numbers below from actual research article:

In un-vaccinated group there were only 3,442 over 50 and 205 deaths, in vaccinated there were 21,472 and a 389 deaths or a death rate of .018 so the death rate is 3 times worse for un-vaccinated over 50.


30 posted on 09/03/2021 8:31:16 PM PDT by TECTopcat
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The numbers could be skewed by the fact that the people most likely to have taken the VAX are also the most likely to die from contracting the coof.

The young and robust are not very afraid and less likely to be vaccinated...they are also unlikely to have bad outcomes.

So.. old, obese, frail, diabetic geezers who have been vaccinated are at greater risk simply because of their comorbidity.

I’m just commenting on how statistics can be misleading.. not on the efficacy of the VAX.


36 posted on 09/03/2021 8:42:51 PM PDT by Bobalu (The higher the monkey climbs, the more you see his ass.)
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It is going to get a lot worse.


46 posted on 09/03/2021 9:14:54 PM PDT by bray (Time to resign Joe)
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Is there a breakdown of age, health related conditions, etc.? What if the vaccinated ones who died were mostly over 70 and in poor health, etc.?


49 posted on 09/03/2021 9:24:57 PM PDT by Left2Right (There is water at the bottom of the ocean)
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Ping


58 posted on 09/03/2021 9:49:23 PM PDT by WhattheDickens? (Funny, I didn’t think this was 1984…)
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