Restoring Trump may start with decertifying one "elected" 2020 U.S. Senator

Dr. Franklin | July 20, 2021 | Dr. Franklin

[Dr. Franklin]

Challenges to the presidential electors for GA, MI, NV, and WI all failed when the House members making the objections failed to gain the support of a single U.S. Senator. Together these states comprised 48 EV, which was more than enough to flip the election result. But what if a duly elected U.S. Senator was unable to participate in that process because a fraudulent pretender was wrongfully certified in his/her place? Would that make the entire Jan. 6-7th certification of Joe and Ho's "victory" null and void in either a quo warranto action, or reopening of that certification by Congress?

[Flying Circus]

Also if you are going to claim that this is indeed charted territory, please show me the precedent of a sitting member of Congress being removed for a tainted election.

[Political Junkie Too]

And what you bolded is the problem that is laid out in Throckmorton, which is that it's the nature of fraud that it takes time to be discovered. And when it is found after an official ruling is made, and it is also found that the actors who are responsible for the fair and honest participation in the process (like Fulton County elections officials) actually manipulated the process for one party and against another, then the original ruling should have a rehearing.

Fraud has not been proven yet, but the question is what if it is proven? As they say, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. The governed will not consent to a process that allows the criminals to use their positions of authority to hide the crime for only a few weeks, and then declare that they got away with it and there is nothing that anyone can do about it now.

-PJ

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[Alberta's Child]

The Throckmorton case involved a fraudulent land title. The very nature of that type of dispute is that it can be resolved satisfactorily years later. A presidential election is a whole different matter. There are constitutional procedures and deadlines written into the process, and the clock doesn’t stop running on the governance of the nation and the operation of the executive branch.

Look at what’s going on in Arizona. We are closer to 2022 than we are to 2020 … and we have an audit going on in ONE county in ONE state. And the audit hasn’t even been completed yet.

And let’s keep in mind that even if fraud can be proven beyond any doubt, the election in some states was carried out in a way that makes it impossible to determine which candidate was the beneficiary of the fraud.

[Political Junkie Too]

The very nature of that type of dispute is that it can be resolved satisfactorily years later.

The discussion in the ruling of "fraud vitiates every thing" was about the nature of discovering the fraud and the actions of the parties to it, not the ease of resolving it.

the clock doesn’t stop running on the governance of the nation

Which is why the 20th amendment has a process for an acting President until the fraud (failure to qualify) can be resolved.

And let’s keep in mind that even if fraud can be proven beyond any doubt, the election in some states was carried out in a way that makes it impossible to determine which candidate was the beneficiary of the fraud.

Occam's Razer would suggest that the fraud favors the side with the actors who are in control of the process. That would be those places where Democrats kicked out Republican observers, where Democrats said that counting stopped for the night but then kept on counting after everyone else went home, and where Democrats are blocking forensic reviews of the machines and ballots.

I'm interested in hearing about alleged fraud in states where Republicans did the counting, and not just where Republicans held the highest seats like AG or Sec State but Democrats at the county level did the legwork.

-PJ

[RideForever]

This one shows he was already ejected for ABSCam conviction; now DOJ is coming back for election fraud charges, 2014, 2015, 2016 (bribes for ballot stuffing Philly, PA.

See - link to article

So why don't you reciprocate and search 'ejection fraud congressman'

[Tymesup]

If Trump were to be reinstated to the Pesidency, that would be unusual. What would prevent the additional unusual step of extending his term so that it ran a full four years? Or to the nearest Election Day, if we deem it essential that voting on that specific day (which we have abandoned anyway)?

[DoodleDawg]

What would prevent the additional unusual step of extending his term so that it ran a full four years?

The Constitution?

[Steve Van Doorn]

I'm discounting naysayers that he can not be reinstated because this kind of issue has taken place in other countries many times. They're all ignoring the fact the constitution is a contract. Thus this a contract between the states which the states must resolve together. What is written into constitution applies to none fraudulent terms of the contract.

I agree with most of what you said that reinstating Trump with a hostile congress would not be good.

Two points
1. Optics. Not signing in the legal president and no charges against the criminals sets up a precedence of acceptance of criminality when it has to do with our elections.

"So at best, Trump will get two years in his second term in which to be effective.
2. If trump only has six months left when this is resolved he must be reinstated for optics if nothing else. A term is 4 years which he wouldn't be president for the 4 years. He can run again in 2024.

Another way the election could be nullified for a re-election.

[Steve Van Doorn]

said,"AZ Legislature needs to declare the 2020 Federal election UNLAWFUL due to fraud....Fraud vitiates everything (everything goes back to square 1) "

Thank you good post.

[SamAdams76]

Yes, if we could get Trump re-elected for a third time in 2024, while re-instating him to finish the second term that he earned, that is the best outcome of all.

I just didn't want Trump getting re-instated to finish his second term and then be done. That would not be right. Trump deserves a full term so if he can run again in 2024 - I would be good with that.

[Steve Van Doorn]

This is an interesting approach also which Trump said it's not a bad idea.
Remember the presidency if the election was fraudulent could go too the speaker of the house.
DEMS RUSH LAW TO STOP TRUMP BEING NOMINATED HOUSE SPEAKER IN 2022
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7E8ieH6RvhgF/

[DoodleDawg]

If trump only has six months left when this is resolved he must be reinstated for optics if nothing else. A term is 4 years which he wouldn't be president for the 4 years. He can run again in 2024.

No he couldn't. Trump was elected for the first time in 2016. If he is reinstated then it's recognition that he was elected in 2020. Per the 22nd Amendment no person can be elected to the office of the President more than twice

[Flying Circus]

I see. So your example is someone ejected after a bribery conviction and then later charged with ballot stuffing in primary elections. What kind of vote was required to eject him? (hint: it wasn’t hard to get 2/3rds to vote for ejecting a bribery convict from a safe party seat)

What you found pretty much matches what I found which is no case where a seated senator or representative was ejected based solely on a bad election.

[Dr. Franklin]

Article 1, section 5 clause 2 says it take a 2/3rds vote to expel a member.

And when a pretender who never actually won election is exposed, he wasn't really ever a member. So a simple majority can make that adjudication under Article I, Sec. 5., Clause 1. It's a judicial function given to the Houses of Congress.

My Constitution doesn’t have a section 5 in article IV; it stops at section 4.

So you plainly read the Guarantee Clause, the Constitution's Prime Directive, which I referenced:

Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

[rodguy911]

Do your research and you will discover that President Trump will be back in office no matter what you think. It's all about digging hard and long enough to get the truth. Many have and their efforts were and are enough to see the return of the real potus DJT.
Truth was Pence screwed us at a bad time causing us to have to fight much longer since the Supremes and many other compromised institutions were also bought and paid for.
If the struggle it too much for you sit on the sidelines like a good little boy. But don't piss on what is the return of the true president.

[rodguy911]

Focus on what you want I’ll focus on getting Trump back asap. He has a lot of help and can prove everything necessary to be returned. So excuse us while we do the dirty work and you sit in the corner sucking your thumb.

[fatman6502002]

Keep dreaming. I admire your faith but sooner or later reality will dawn upon you. I believe President Trump will be President again; on January 20, 2025.

[rodguy911]

If Trump returns because of election fraud he won’t be the only one. Numerous House and Senate elections will be overturned as well. We will have both houses and the best potus since Reagan.

[rodguy911]

Pence is a low life pedo who tried to screw Trump over for four years. The only success he had was at the very end of his term.