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Our Government Wanted to Use What Weapon Against Us?
redstate ^ | 4/25/21 | Scott Hounsell

Posted on 04/27/2021 5:53:22 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

In the debate about our 2nd Amendment rights, the left inevitably resorts to the argument that the government is exponentially and laughably more armed than its citizenry, and therefore, we should just realize that our desire for firepower-parity is not important. Why do we need an AR-15 when the government has nuclear weapons?

Following that logic means that we should fear government because they could just nuke Oklahoma if it got out of line. Of course, liberals scoff at this with replies like, “The US Government would never use firepower against its own citizens.” Is that so? Municipal police departments have what amounts to tanks. In 1985, the Philadelphia Police Department dropped a bomb on a home from a helicopter. The sieges at Waco and Ruby Ridge have shown us that the government not only will use the power they have, but they will use that power even if it means killing unarmed children. “Oh come on, those were cults and anti-government holdouts. What else was the government supposed to do?”

Now, out of California, we know that the answer to the question includes fighter jets.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; california; guncontrol; newsom; recall; selfdefense; tyranny
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1 posted on 04/27/2021 5:53:22 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Well, for one thing the happenings of the past year answer that question pretty definitively. Beyond that, however, is the fact that the gun may be needed if the federal government simply goes the way the the old Soviet Union.

Having an F-15 doesn't do much good if the maintenance crew has walked off the job. Same goes for nukes.

2 posted on 04/27/2021 5:59:06 PM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Governor Newsom is the source of that order and we need to remember this for the recall election.


3 posted on 04/27/2021 5:59:32 PM PDT by MercyFlush (Senator Joseph McCarthy was right. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

They couldn’t use them at Benghazi, but they’ll use them on Americans.


4 posted on 04/27/2021 6:02:35 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

” the Philadelphia Police Department dropped a bomb on a home from a helicopter.”

Very poor example. Very skimpy on the important details. At Waco the local sheriff arrested Koresh before on a murder charge by just driving up with a deputy, presenting the warrant and arresting him. No need for more extreme force by ATF later for a lesser charge.
Weaver had no history of violent crime and could have been probably arrested by Marshals walking up the driveway.

But Philly PD had a bad problem. MOVE an African revolutionary communist group took over a row house. They built an Iwo Jima pillbox on the roof (where it was found out later that they stored gasoline). They terrorized the block with 24/7 loudspeakers of propaganda. They never came out for any reason. They launched a 90 minute gun battle involving over 10,000 rounds. The pillbox was still occupied.
So a State PD helo dropped a charge on the pillbox.

So it wasn’t just “the Philadelphia Police Department dropped a bomb on a home from a helicopter.”

The row of houses burned because the maniac blacks also shot at any fire trucks or firemen they saw.


5 posted on 04/27/2021 6:05:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
I know they'd be going wicked fast, but seems like something that big and close might not be impossible to engage....
6 posted on 04/27/2021 6:05:46 PM PDT by Manic_Episode ( “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Remember Vietnam & Iraq & Afghanistan?

Now ask yourself who is better armed & trained....us or them.


7 posted on 04/27/2021 6:06:09 PM PDT by jdsteel ("A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Sorry Ben, looks like we blew it.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
In July 1932, the U.S. Army under the command of jackass General MacArthur attacked U.S. veterans of World War I in the nation's capitol.

And, of course, there was the Whiskey Rebellion.

8 posted on 04/27/2021 6:08:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: The Duke

Doesn’t do any good if there are no pilots left to fly them either.


9 posted on 04/27/2021 6:12:41 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: blueunicorn6

and Remember;
.
Oathkeepers got
“Spooked” by
Drones at the
Bundy Ranch
Not long ago.


10 posted on 04/27/2021 6:12:41 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (Be Still and Know that I Am God. Rev 19)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

A jet flyover at low level in Afghanistan means one thing. Here it’s impotent...just a free airshow to most people.
People know they aren’t going to strafe or drop a bomb.

And if they do drop a bomb, things would likely get rather dicey for that base, and for uniformed personnel out in town. Our base security is a joke. Illegal aliens walk through them constantly. Our military is very poorly suited for fighting against the American homeland.
And that is something to be proud of.


11 posted on 04/27/2021 6:16:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. .... )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

California National Guard put fighter jet on alert in March 2020 for ‘possible domestic mission’:

Report: Fox News Flash top headlines for April 24 2021

An F-15C fighter was put on alert, sources told the Los Angeles Times

California National Guard members say a fighter jet was put on standby for a “possible domestic mission” last year, raising concerns that the military could be used to disperse protesters in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report.

Four National Guard sources spoke to the Los Angeles Times about the matter, revealing that commanders were concerned about resistance to stay-at-home orders or chaos due to panic-buying.

According to the sources, an F-15C fighter was put on alert, which raised concerns among Guard members that the jet could be used to “buzz” crowds — a tactic often used in combat zones to disperse the enemy.

The orders were allegedly handed down orally or through text messages rather than formally in writing, which made them highly unusual, the sources told the Times. The Guard members described such a tactic as an “inappropriate” use of military force against U.S. citizens.

“It would have been a completely illegal order that disgraced the military,” one source told the Times. “It could look like we’re threatening civilians.”

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_wTGafYw8U-a58U2HCyHwoFn-R5XHjoRMOxtROs9xxM/edit


12 posted on 04/27/2021 6:17:17 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( We are alive! In spite of being stupid and getting vaccinated twice!! On: 01/31/2021 & 2/21/2021!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

We once reduced a guy to tears by chanting “ Nuke Oklahoma!”


13 posted on 04/27/2021 6:26:44 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

We spent how many years in Afghanistan fighting 65 IQ, unibrow tribesmen?


14 posted on 04/27/2021 6:33:05 PM PDT by dljordan (Slouching towards Woketopia)
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15 posted on 04/27/2021 6:33:27 PM PDT by xp38
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To: nickcarraway
General MacArthur attacked U.S. veterans of World War I in the nation's capitol
My Dad was a WWII Navy veteran and always referred to MacArthur as "Dugout Doug".
16 posted on 04/27/2021 6:34:56 PM PDT by dainbramaged ( Zulus to the Southwest - thousands of 'em.)
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To: nickcarraway

“In July 1932, the U.S. Army under the command of jackass General MacArthur attacked U.S. veterans of World War I in the nation’s capitol.”

Guess who else was included in that one? Patton. Eisenhower. And I suppose a couple others.


17 posted on 04/27/2021 6:40:45 PM PDT by crz
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To: Grampa Dave
“It would have been a completely illegal order that disgraced the military,” one source told the Times.

And it also shows how idiotic the person who thought of the mission was. The protestors in Los Angeles would have been marching in close proximity to the Los Angeles International Airport. It is hard to imagine how much chaos an F-15C doing low altitude high speed passes in the middle of the LAX TCA would do. Who would want to be flying a trans Pacific flight's instrument approach into LAX in a 747 when some guy is flying through the same area at high speed in a fighter jet?

The disruption of commercial air traffic would be immense, amplifying whatever local disruption the protestors caused by their marching to an international incident.

That sounds like a plan a Democrat would hatch.

18 posted on 04/27/2021 6:44:57 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: jdsteel
Us; the reason for those failures were overbearing ROE for economic, intelligence, and political purposes (Iraq/Afghan because of Saudi influence). All of those "skirmishes" would have quickly ended, Afghanistan was convoluted due to mountains (Eventually solved) and Saudi (Sects) eclectic "tribes" would have been the trickiest. Still, could of just annihilated everyone and imported Central Americans along with Mexican cartel members (With conditions).

Vietnam was just a money grab for some and just Cold War intelligence. Could of bombed the North (Ended quickly cutting off logistics) until kingdom come but evil prevailed in the form of US financial/"intelligence" interests at the expense of US soldiers/citizens.
19 posted on 04/27/2021 7:04:06 PM PDT by rollo tomasi
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To: freeandfreezing

Your point about disruption of commercial traffic is valid but, how do you come by the claim that “The protestors in Los Angeles would have been marching in close proximity to the Los Angeles International Airport.”?

(Protesting at LAX? How stupid would that be? Not to mention almost impossible; passengers can hardly get in; not even considering the overwhelming ‘security’ that would descend with wrath upon them)

The only close proximity to LAX is Westchester, Inglewood, El Segundo and the Pacific Ocean.


20 posted on 04/27/2021 7:16:26 PM PDT by A strike ( Barr and Fauxi to Florence supermax; Roberts to Terre Haute)
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