Posted on 04/24/2021 1:17:14 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat
Dennis McGowan a recently retired Chief of Operations for the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s Office in Atlanta recently explained why he calls the SARS-CoV-2 death toll “a big lie.”
He writes:
“Death certificates are pretty uniform in their structure, and they call for strict accuracy in listing the relevant details. There are five critical lines...
The first (top) line is “Immediate Cause of Death.” This is where the actual terminal event is recorded. This line is followed by three more, all labeled “Due To,” where contributors to the immediate cause, in declining order, are listed. An example of this structure might be Immediate Cause listed as Cerebral Hemorrhage, and the first Due To line might be Gunshot Wound. Very direct. In the event that there are other contributors in the cascade of Due To notations, they would follow, in descending order. Finally, there is a line called “Other Significant Conditions,” which serves as a catch-all for relevant, non-fatal items...
You can imagine how many death certificates I’ve seen in my career, but you can’t imagine the number of death certificates that are being fraudulently tallied in this current pandemic. Someone in some bureaucrat’s office decided that if COVID appears anywhere on a death certificate, it is counted as a COVID death, even if it isn’t. If COVID is on the Immediate Cause line, it is clearly a COVID death. If it is on the first Due To line, it might be a COVID death in a person with a significant comorbidity. If it is on the second or third Due To line, it may or may not have a role in the death, but if it appears in the Other Significant Conditions line, it is not a COVID death, yet it is being counted as one....
(Excerpt) Read more at theredelephants.com ...
They need to document the expense. Wife did it for her mother once FEMA opened it up.
Suppose they could prepare fake receipts& get paid? Idk.
Incorrect. I would fill out the death certificate as 1. acute respiratory failure 2. covid 19 infection. The immediate cause of death is respiratory failure (or renal failure or heart failure etc ) caused by the covid. it is clearly a covid death even though covid is not listed first It may be listed second or even third and still be the ultimate cause of the death Someone that works in a coroners office should know that
Yeah. You are right. I just imagined all those sick abs dying people I cared for because fw dude is the works expert and I cant believe my lying eyes or 35 years or medical experience
‘Pulmonary embolism is not somehow more responsible for this death because it’s listed further up in the lines...’
agreed; my father’s cert lists hypoxia first over congestive heart disease and ischemic arterial disease; clearly both those factors more responsible than hypoxia...
also, clearly, CHF and CAD are far more deadly than covid, and yet neither of those causes are being toted up, attributed to a sudden, high visibility disease, and breathlessly broadcast to the general public to feed a crisis narrative; this is what accounts for the skepticism shown in this and other forums, along with the generally well deserved reputation of politicians for pulling the taffy...
rightly expressed skepticism, in my most humble opinion...
Financial and emotional STRESS due to the lockdowns , people losing jobs, businesses, life savings, excess drug use and drinking, limited social contacts, erc. all would have contibuted to exces deaths.
What’s worse, are the fools here who perpetuate this fraud by continuing to publish it here.
Everything about Covid was a lie.
And it’s LIARS are still working at the LIES 24/7.
Like Don Corleone warned “The hit won’t come from the outside but from someone you think you can trust...”
The inside propagandist shills are the most dispicable.
Expressing skepticism would be fine. Where I take issue is when somebody rants on about how “this is all fake because...” and then proceeds to say a bunch of nonsense that contradicts observable reality.
The evidence we have available is that COVID-19 has an infection fatality rate of 0.65%. That doesn’t sound like a lot until you do the math on hundreds of millions of people getting infected. Then it’s a lot. You get a lot of people saying “lol who cares about a disease that’s 99.35% survivable?” Then you do some simple math to say that 0.65% of 270 million is 1.75 million deaths and those same people start screaming “THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE YOU MUST BE MAKING THIS ALL UP YOU SHILL COMMUNIST SPY”. They were perfectly ready to accept 0.65% fatality, but then completely unwilling to accept the other side of the mathematical equation based on that number.
As if basic mathematics is somehow at fault here or a sign of somebody engaged in some grand conspiracy. No, it’s just math. And the Earth is not flat; it’s an oblate spheroid. No amount of yelling, screaming, and name-calling changes that simple observable fact. But there’s always somebody ready to chime in with “If the Earth is round, why aren’t the roads round around the edges? CHECKMATE ROUNDISTS!”
If drug overdoses increased 20%, that would account for 14,000 additional deaths. Not 530,000. And suicides were down 5% in 2020. Heart attacks and cancer deaths were at normal levels. It takes some Olympic level mental gymnastics to explain away an over 17% increase in deaths in one year when all the normal things killing us are within the normal range, but the pandemic that millions of doctors and nurses from coast to coast are saying is killing people can't be the cause. Normal year-over-year increases in deaths are 0.3% - 0.7%. Not over 17%.
I think all these posters on FR who think this is just the flu and all this stuff is fake should go to an ICU in Michigan and get back to me.
And then maybe talk to all the long haulers out there.
And maybe go to India, Brazil and some parts of Canada.
The only thing that is saving the USA including its hospital system is the strong vaccine campaign initiated by President Trump. But, I worry people, like many on this board, won’t take the vaccine and more will get sick because they have bought into some ridiculous internet conspiracy theory.
If even that. The US death rate hasn’t risen: does that mean covid somehow wiped out all the former causes of death and is now the only thing people die from?
No, it means that the actual number of Covid deaths (that is, immediate cause pneumonia, stroke, heart failure, etc. and the due-to being “Covid”) is very tiny, probably even less than 10 % of what they’re reporting.
I read that even the vast number of the largest group, over 70 yr olds, were actually over 80, had a life expectancy of under 1 year, and about 50% or more of those had a life expectancy of under 6 months. In other words, they died as had long been expected and tested positive for Covid or were assumed to have it because the CDC said they had the symptoms. Initially they weren’t even testing but were just going by symptoms (which are the same for flu, regular old colds, etc.).
Yes, I am right.
Did I mention that most doctors are egotistical assholes?
you would certainly know. You are not only one you are a wrong one to boot
Oh hey, somebody who actually knows how to fill out a US Standard Certificate of Death and what Section 32 Part I actually means!
Unlike the author of this nonsense, who either has clearly never filled one out or done anything more than look at one online. Amazing how people can make such bold claims while still getting basic simple facts wrong. It’s like the Nigerian scammers who send you emails “from the FBI”, but fill the emails with misspellings and punctuation mistakes. Come on guys, run a spellcheck first!
They wouldn’t last 5 minutes in an ICU full of covid patients without soiling themselves
I have filled out more than I care to count. I love watching people argue about things they know nothing about like they are the worlds foremost experts.
So if you don’t see something, it doesn’t exist?
Object permanence is usually established prior to posting in Internet forums. But I guess there are exceptions to every rule.
Don’t let a handful of fringe conspiracy theorists get you down. No matter how loud they may be, they’re in the extreme minority. By the end of the year, over 90% of US adults will have been vaccinated. Within two years, it’ll be closer to 97%.
Every time someone gets vaccinated they tell others around them about their experience. A sore arm and a little fatigue? Gee, that doesn’t sound anything like growing unicorn horns, wings, and then dying. Maybe the garbage being spread on the Internet is garbage. And then another person who was on the fence decides it’s actually a good idea after all. Most are scrambling to get their vaccine as quickly as they can. Some are waiting to make sure the lies being spread online aren’t true. They’ll go next. And the ones who are left after that? ~3% or less.
I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked that you resorted to name-calling.
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