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The Beretta Model 38 Submachine Gun Was A True Killer
19FortyFive ^ | 1/21/2021 | Caleb Larson

Posted on 01/21/2021 8:44:31 AM PST by Onthebrink

Though not all the wartime military equipment made by Italy was top-notch, the Beretta Model 38 submachine gun was highly regarded by both the Axis and Allies.

The Back Story

Students of military history are no doubt familiar with the wide range of weaponry that made their combat debut during that conflict. Not only were new firearms seen for the first time, but new classes of firearms also proved their worth on austere, far-flung battlefields.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; beretta; blogpimp; gun; guns; history; italy; military; onthebrink; petersuicu; ww2
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1 posted on 01/21/2021 8:44:31 AM PST by Onthebrink
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To: Onthebrink

I miss my Sterlings


2 posted on 01/21/2021 8:47:02 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Onthebrink

The Baretta 38A, the Sterling and the Walther MpL were the best open bolt sub guns made.
Maybe add the Uzi too.


3 posted on 01/21/2021 8:58:10 AM PST by VicVanleeuwenhoek
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To: VicVanleeuwenhoek

Don’t forget the Carl Gustaf m/45. It had an almost cultish following in the military in the 60’s and 70’s.


4 posted on 01/21/2021 10:04:51 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Onthebrink; Chode; Squantos; Georgia Girl 2; SkyDancer; Delta 21; tubebender; Lockbox; ...

Interesting Trigger setup.


5 posted on 01/21/2021 11:31:43 AM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: mabarker1

never liked twin triggers

low cyclic rate guns are usually pretty easy to get off one round, two at most

other than that, good gun


6 posted on 01/21/2021 1:52:45 PM PST by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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To: Chode

I’ve only seen Twin Triggers on Double Barreled Shotguns and IIRC a Muzzle Loader that one was a “Pre-Trigger” leaving the Primary with a very light Pull.


7 posted on 01/21/2021 3:18:53 PM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: mabarker1

sure target/hunting guns, that’s different

gotta have a set trigger on lots of those guns, multi barrels/etc=multi triggers, but on a working gun, no thx...


8 posted on 01/21/2021 7:14:36 PM PST by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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To: mabarker1; Chode

I like Special errrr Swedish K .....


9 posted on 01/21/2021 7:51:43 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

is the S&W-76 near as good?


10 posted on 01/21/2021 8:35:59 PM PST by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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To: Chode

Accuracy was better but reliability wasn’t as good with same 147 gr OSM ..... 124gr IMI +P was perfect for the S&W76 ....... I stuck with a MP5SDA3 and 147gr OSM.


11 posted on 01/21/2021 8:52:16 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

MP5SDA3, there is no substitute.


12 posted on 01/21/2021 10:15:08 PM PST by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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To: Chode

Most definitely agree with that!!!


13 posted on 01/22/2021 5:49:29 AM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: Squantos

LOL!


14 posted on 01/22/2021 5:50:23 AM PST by mabarker1 ((Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress !!!!)
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To: atomic_dog

Darn !, forgot the Swedish K.
Your right that was supposed to be a very nice SMG.


15 posted on 01/22/2021 6:50:32 AM PST by VicVanleeuwenhoek
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To: Chode

Yes Sir ! That and a action job and parts for my Browning Hi Power from Cylinder & Slide are / were my preferred tools in Central & South America when I was tasked with JTF-6 in the late 80’s ......


16 posted on 01/23/2021 8:48:49 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

i’d still take an HP over almost all of the plastic 9mm out there today


17 posted on 01/24/2021 11:58:19 AM PST by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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To: Onthebrink

The Beretta Model 38 Submachine Gun Was A True Killer

By Caleb Larson

Though not all the wartime military equipment made by Italy was top-notch, the Beretta Model 38 submachine gun was highly regarded by both the Axis and Allies.

The Back Story

Students of military history are no doubt familiar with the wide range of weaponry that made their combat debut during that conflict. Not only were new firearms seen for the first time, but new classes of firearms also proved their worth on austere, far-flung battlefields.

Some obvious examples come to mind, like the sturdy American Thompson submachine gun, highly regarded for its high stopping power compared to other submachine gun designs, thanks to its .45 ACP chambering. Or for example, the light-weight and reliable Nazi MP40 submachine gun, which proved itself as a paratrooper’s friend due to its small size when collapsed.

Lesser-known, but in some ways superior was a submachine gun of Italian origin, made by Beretta.

Beretta Model 38

Beretta is one of, if not the world’s oldest major arms manufacturer and has enjoyed nearly 500 years of continuous operation. Though some of their weapon designs are widely derided, this particular firearm could very well be one of the best submachine guns of the Second World War.

The Beretta Model 38 went a number of different iterations, though as its number classification implies, was first manufactured just prior to World War II in 1938-39. The original Model 38, chambered in 9x19mm, was the finest of the several wartime variants designed and put into service.

The original Model 38 sported a nearly 12.5-inch barrel covered with a cooling jacket, and had quite a low rate of fire, at around 550 rpm. A relatively large compensator port was cut into the barrel muzzle to help control fully-automatic fire.

Interestingly enough, the Model 38 did not have a fire selector switch but rather had two triggers, one for semiautomatic fire and one for fully automatic shooting. The submachine gun fed from a generous 40-round stick magazine, though 10-, 20-, and 30-round magazines were also manufactured, with empty casings ejected to the left, rather than to the right. 

The Model 38’s machined steel receiver sat in a relatively long wooden stock, and overall length was just over three feet — quite long for a submachine gun. At nearly 9.5 pounds, the Model 38 was also rather heavy, perhaps one of its only negative aspects, and one that was addressed in subsequent variants.

In addition to a shortened stock, Beretta made several other changes to the gun to help it shed weight. The barrel was shortened and fluted, its large compensator port was exchanged in favor of compensator slots, and the barrel shroud was eliminated. A number of other parts were made of stamped, rather than machined steel to speed up production speed and reduce costs.

Postscript

The original Model 38’s combination of weight, barrel length, and low rate of fire made it very, very controllable during fully automatic fire. The video below demonstrates this and is well with the watch.

Beretta Model 38A Submachine Gun

Wartime accounts attest to how highly Beretta’s submachine gun was regarded: both German Fallschirmjäger, or Paratroopers, as well as Allied soldiers preferred the Model 38 over their own weapons in some circumstances.

Caleb Larson is a Defense Writer based in Europe. He holds a Master of Public Policy and covers U.S. and Russian security, European defense issues, and German politics and culture.

18 posted on 01/24/2021 12:12:14 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Chode

I retired mine after I retired, was doing 3 gun game and went full blown Glock 34 and after about 12,000 rounds without a burp or belch I EDC a glock 19 plastic fantastic 5th Gen MOS with a Trijicon RMR-2, 3MOA and tall suppressor green dot Trijicon sights co-witnessed . Speer Gold Dot 147gr HP’s are its fodder. And a ZEV 3.5 pound trigger. EDC for the past 2.5 or 3 years ? and it runs great also . Arthur showed up to remind me of all my sudden stops in life so went to Glock vs Colt, Sig and BHP on my weaker hands.


19 posted on 01/24/2021 4:38:03 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

i’ll say this much, they’re lite

my ESC is a 9mm S&W Shield but with nowhere near that many rounds


20 posted on 01/24/2021 6:21:14 PM PST by Chode (Ashli Babbitt - #SayHerNAME)
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