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Trump May Be Gone Soon, but America’s Problems Won’t
National Interest ^ | 1/17/2021 | Scott McConnell

Posted on 01/18/2021 4:32:26 AM PST by Onthebrink

There are millions of Republican voters who carried in the past five years their own version of the Ross Douthat versus “Ross Douthat's Right-Wing id” debate: Trump is a charlatan, potentially dangerous, unsuited for the presidency versus Trump has actually gotten a lot of good things done on immigration, working class wages, not starting stupid wars. Moreover, those on this side argue Trump has a great natural political touch which no one in a generation can match. That debate came to an unfortunate and unambiguous conclusion in the last month, with Trump failing to recognize that his legal attempts to challenge the election results had gone nowhere, that he had lost more or less fair and square, and it was time to move on.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2020; 2020election; 2024; 2024election; biden; donaldtrump; joebiden; kag; maga; trump
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1 posted on 01/18/2021 4:32:26 AM PST by Onthebrink
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To: Onthebrink

In the opinion of many America’s problems are most likely to get worse.


2 posted on 01/18/2021 4:35:23 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Onthebrink

What crap.


3 posted on 01/18/2021 4:37:15 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: Onthebrink

I must be slow as I still don’t recognize the part where it’s been proven Trump lost fair and square.


4 posted on 01/18/2021 4:38:22 AM PST by heshtesh
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To: Onthebrink

Who thought they would get better when Sniffer and Commie were elected?


5 posted on 01/18/2021 4:39:05 AM PST by depressed in 06 (63 in '22. Now, more than ever! (I didn't take into account Mittens, Collins and Murkowski.))
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To: Onthebrink

Three things I know:

1) Trump delivered on his promises.

2) The Dems cheated to win.

3) The true resistance begins on Wednesday. I’ll be affording the Dems the same respect and support they gave Trump.


6 posted on 01/18/2021 4:41:02 AM PST by Kharis13
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To: Onthebrink

Good morning, kids. Monday and I don’t think I’ve had a more profound sense of dread in my life about what the next few days and afterward might have in store. About the only times that come close were the morning after Election Day and then 12 days ago on Black Wednesday, with Election Day 2008 bringing up the rear. In a bit less than 54 hours from the time of this post, the darkest, most malignant and dangerous enemy our nation, such as it was, had ever faced will seize power once and for all and never let go. Neither willingly nor, I fear, peacefully if at all. That enemy as Abraham Lincoln prophesied decades before the strife that tore this nation apart in the first Civil war sprang up amongst us.
We all know what will happen the moment Zhou Bai-Din lift’s his filthy hand of The Bible and emits the words “so help me G-d” from a policy standpoint. We had more than a taste of it from 2009-2017. Blanket amnesty and instant citizenship alone for upwards of 30 million illegal aliens, and open borders for millions more mean not only further societal and cultural dissolution, but a permanent political majority for the Enemy’s Democrat Party. On the bright side, at least you can be assured that elections will never again be rigged. Mostly because when Florida and Texas turn blue, they won’t have to be...

http://ace.mu.nu/


7 posted on 01/18/2021 4:41:53 AM PST by KeyLargo
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8 posted on 01/18/2021 4:43:53 AM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas.")
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Good morning, kids. Monday and I don’t think I’ve had a more profound sense of dread in my life about what the next few days and afterward might have in store. About the only times that come close were the morning after Election Day and then 12 days ago on Black Wednesday, with Election Day 2008 bringing up the rear. In a bit less than 54 hours from the time of this post, the darkest, most malignant and dangerous enemy our nation, such as it was, had ever faced will seize power once and for all and never let go. Neither willingly nor, I fear, peacefully if at all. That enemy as Abraham Lincoln prophesied decades before the strife that tore this nation apart in the first Civil war sprang up amongst us.
We all know what will happen the moment Zhou Bai-Din lift’s his filthy hand of The Bible and emits the words “so help me G-d” from a policy standpoint. We had more than a taste of it from 2009-2017. Blanket amnesty and instant citizenship alone for upwards of 30 million illegal aliens, and open borders for millions more mean not only further societal and cultural dissolution, but a permanent political majority for the Enemy’s Democrat Party. On the bright side, at least you can be assured that elections will never again be rigged. Mostly because when Florida and Texas turn blue, they won’t have to be...

http://ace.mu.nu/


9 posted on 01/18/2021 4:45:36 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Onthebrink

“...with Trump failing to recognize that his legal attempts to challenge the election results had gone nowhere, that he had lost more or less fair and square, and it was time to move on.”

Why post this crap?

Oh and...welcome noobie.


10 posted on 01/18/2021 4:46:23 AM PST by moovova
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To: KeyLargo

Ace of Spades needs to find God.

Dread? Dread?


11 posted on 01/18/2021 4:46:58 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: KeyLargo

Annnnd blacks will want to know why nobody told them 30-50 million more Hispanics and they get put back of the bus...AGAIN.......


12 posted on 01/18/2021 4:48:31 AM PST by Hambone 1934 (When will the dems turn the US into Venezuela????)
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To: Onthebrink

America is going into decline again.


13 posted on 01/18/2021 4:48:39 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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Dems figure they will carve out another Rhodesia..Where the majority minority groups are slaves to the few whites at the top....


14 posted on 01/18/2021 4:50:17 AM PST by Hambone 1934 (When will the dems turn the US into Venezuela????)
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To: ClearCase_guy

He must be related to Mitch CCP.


15 posted on 01/18/2021 5:02:31 AM PST by no_go_lie
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To: Onthebrink
from the article: "That debate came to an unfortunate and unambiguous conclusion in the last month, with Trump failing to recognize that his legal attempts to challenge the election results had gone nowhere, that he had lost more or less fair and square, and it was time to move on."

"More or less fair and square"??
"More or less" is a blanket big enough to cover-up almost any conceivable election crime.

The truth is that nobody seems to really know how much "more" was technically legal and how much "less" was outright criminal.
Our leftist media keeps telling us US courts ruled against Trump, but the real truth is virtually every legal authority refused to even look at the evidence.

Something is rotten here, but it seems that nobody can put their finger on just exactly what.

16 posted on 01/18/2021 5:05:07 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...) )
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To: Onthebrink

[That debate came to an unfortunate and unambiguous conclusion]


In normal circumstances, that *might* be an unambiguous conclusion. These are not normal circumstances.

IMHO, the sackcloth and ashes routine is unwarranted. Trump will get to finish the job that Bannon got him to start - fire all the GOP incumbents opposed to the Trump agenda during the primary process. He’ll then have people who owe him when he returns to the White House in 2024.

You may think this is far-fetched and whistling past the graveyard. But there are solid historical reasons for optimism. Let’s assume the Democrats’ basic premise is true, i.e. that Trump lost fair and square. Trump’s loss wasn’t terrible - a couple of hundred thousand votes short in the swing states that decide the White House race. This is in the face of two outlier events - a mass casualty pandemic and the resultant economic depression representing the worst downturn since the Great Depression.

The Democrats expected a complete sweep of the states, both at the White House and Congressional levels. FDR got a 413 electoral vote victory margin. Biden’s was 74. The 1932 House elections gave the Democrats a 196-seat margin, vs the ~12-seat margin they got in 2020. The 1932 Senate elections moved the Democrats to a 22-seat margin, vs the 1-seat margin (thanks to the VP tie breaker vote) they just got after the 2021 GA runoffs. This was a blue wave a toddler could safely paddle in, not a tsunami.

If you accept the Democratic premise that Trump lost by 7m votes, that’s a Biden popular vote margin of 4%. FDR’s victory margin over Hoover? 28%.

That’s why they’re trying to prevent Trump from running again. He’s no Herbert Hoover, whose political career was over the day the results came in. The Dems aren’t afraid Trump will get the 2024 GOP nomination and lose in the general. They’re worried that one hiccup or other before 2024 will send Trump back to the White House with commanding GOP majorities, but this time cleansed of the never-Trumpers who gave him so much trouble in his first term.

If Trump intends to run again, the interval from now until presidential season should* involve the installation of Republicans who support the Trump agenda in the midterms, and the removal of those who don’t. Bannon’s quest to populate elected offices with Trump supporters needs to resume, so that when Trump re-enters the White House, his agenda is ready to go from Day 1.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_Senate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

You could also compare the numbers to those from the Spanish Flu election of 1920. Something similar happened, except this time, the incumbent Democrats lost big, with the GOP getting a 2/3 majority in the House. They would probably have gotten the same thing in the Senate, if every seat was up for grabs, rather than just 1/3. Point being that the pollsters were presumably modeling their blue wave poll results on 1920 and 1932, which were disastrous for the incumbents and resulted in ~300 and up electoral vote victory margins (i.e. winner - loser EV’s). Now that was a mandate. Whereas Biden had a ~70 EV margin, based on 1-2% popular vote margins in the swing states being litigated over. He’s skating on very thin ice.

* The big question is obviously whether Trump will run. Given what we’ve seen of Trump’s decision-making process, maybe he himself doesn’t know the answer.

The thing about such a comeback is that it’s so rare, it would be another superlative to add to his record - a real feather in his cap. Health permitting, I don’t see him not running. Fred Trump only began displaying signs of dementia at age 86, dying at age 93, so it would not surprise me if the Donald were physically up to the challenges of another term in the White House.


17 posted on 01/18/2021 5:08:13 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

More and more of these type article will keep coming out to separate the base from Trump and to make us believe that the election was not stolen.


18 posted on 01/18/2021 5:34:55 AM PST by virginia9000
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To: Zhang Fei

a couple of hundred thousand votes short in the swing states ...”

Get it thru your head, Trump WASN’T short anything. They stopped the count where they had to and stole what they had to. Rinse. Repeat. Forever.


19 posted on 01/18/2021 5:36:59 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Onthebrink

Trump may be gone soon, America’s troubles will just begin...

Taxes raised, millions of illegals will enter and have to be housed, fed, medically treated, educated and transported. pipeline shut down and Federal Wage increases will cause greater unemployment and transport costs increased,,,,, Where does the money come from to pay for all this because inflation will become rampant? 401ks will be devalued by 50%, and food prices are already rising, how are these increases to be paid for if people are not working?


20 posted on 01/18/2021 5:39:15 AM PST by chopperk (Warnocdrk doesn't have a chance if Stacy sits on him.)
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