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About Those Covid-19 Vaccine ID Cards...An idea that's simple as an abstraction turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with
Of Two Minds ^ | 12/04/2020 | Charles Hughes Smith

Posted on 12/04/2020 9:33:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind

An idea that's simple as an abstraction--vaccine ID cards--turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with.


Authorities around the world have made it clear that they will do "whatever it takes" to vaccinate their citizenry with one of the first available vaccines. Authoritarian states may mandate universal vaccinations while less authoritarian states will favor a "carrot and stick" approach of offering benefits to the vaccinated and exclusions from employment, education, travel and most of everyday life for those who refuse to be vaccinated.

To identify the vaccinated and unvaccinated, many nations are planning to issue ID cards or "vaccine passports." As an abstraction, this seems straightforward, but if we start digging into the actual operational requirements of this mass ID card issuance and distribution, a number of common-sense issues arise.

Vaccination cards will be issued to everyone getting Covid-19 vaccine, health officials say (CNN)

First and foremost, it's unknown how long the immunity offered by the vaccines will last. It's still early days, so there is conflicting evidence: some claim the vaccines will be longer-lasting than the natural immunity of those who caught the virus and recovered, while other evidence suggests the immunity might decay after six months. Despite claims that natural immunity is long-lasting, a non-trivial number of people who had Covid have been re-infected.

Nobody knows how long either natural or vaccine immunity will last because not enough time has elapsed to collect sufficient data.

Given these intrinsic unknowns, how long will the ID card be valid? It's easy to imagine variations in individual responses such that the vaccines' effectiveness decays more rapidly in 20% of the vaccinated. This variability would introduce tremendous unknowns that no ID card could reflect: is the holder of the card at Month 10 still immune or not?

If the duration of the vaccine's effectiveness is variable, then an ID card could be misleading. In other words, being vaccinated with a variable-duration vaccine tells us nothing about the individual's actual immunity down the road.

Given these unknowns, the vaccinated may need booster shots in the future, and the ID cards would have to be re-issued. The task of keeping track of hundreds of millions of vaccination records, identities and then issuing ID cards is a non-trivial task.

To thwart black-market fake-ID cards, the security measures will have to be equivalent to a driver's license or passport. Have you applied recently for either of these forms of ID? The process is painfully slow. The systems in place to process state drivers' licenses and U.S. passports are already strained, and which agency is prepared to verify the identity of 280 million adult citizens, confirm the validity of their vaccine and then issue ID cards--and then repeat this process in a year?

If the procedures for issuing vaccine ID cards are slapdash due to time constraints--for example, downloading a digital record from the vaccine distributor or a printed card--these will likely be vulnerable to being duplicated or spoofed. Fake vaccine distributors will pop up issuing bogus digital records, hackers might download and sell digital records from trusted sources, and so on.

Then there's the extra burdens being placed on the staff of airlines, cruise lines, etc. to scan these documents and deal with rejected cards. Who will have the legal authority to deal with claims that a rejected card is actually valid? How many smaller establishments simply won't have to staff to do more than glance at the card?

Do authorities have the means to issue hundreds of millions of absolutely secure vaccine ID cards and then monitor all the attempts to find loopholes and weaknesses in the process? If authorities think that strict penalties will limit this activity, they underestimate the difficulty in getting such penalties enforced by overloaded court systems.

In nations with strong traditions of civil liberties, there will be pushback against mandatory vaccinations with essentially untested vaccines and against national databases tying identity to vaccination cards--a situation ripe with potential for abuse.

Authorities don't seem to grasp that many of those hesitating to get vaccinated are not anti-vaxxers; they simply see the vaccine approval process as deeply flawed for common-sense reasons: for example, there is simply not enough data on safety, duration and real-world efficacy.

Authorities are counting on the "carrot" of air travel, cruises and concerts to persuade skeptics to get vaccinated despite their concerns. What authorities don't seem to realize is that a great many people value their health, privacy and agency far more than they crave air travel, cruises or concerts. They will gladly forego all these activities until more reliable data is collected, peer-reviewed and distributed for analysis.

The more draconian the measures designed to pressure people into getting the vaccines, the greater the reluctance of skeptics who see the draconian measures as additional evidence the vaccines are half-measures being forced on the populace as a means of imposing a false assurance that all is well and "normal" will return as soon as the skeptics cave in and get vaccinated.

There's also the possibility that the virus could mutate in ways that moot the vaccines' effectiveness. While this is widely considered unlikely, it's not impossible, either. If a mutated virus arises that evades the vaccine, then what value will the vaccine ID card have?

An idea that's simple as an abstraction--vaccine ID cards--turns out to be extremely difficult once real-world operational realities must be dealt with. The fact is the first vaccines have been rushed to approval with virtually none of the testing demanded of previous vaccines raises common-sense concerns which cannot be dissolved with force or carrots and sticks.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid19; idcards; vaccine
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1 posted on 12/04/2020 9:33:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Surprisingly, the Bible has the answer for their little problem...


2 posted on 12/04/2020 9:35:46 AM PST by madison10
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To: SeekAndFind

Have to show it to vote, the left will go apeshartingly insane against it.


3 posted on 12/04/2020 9:35:53 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Perhaps an armband or a big yellow star would work better.


4 posted on 12/04/2020 9:36:29 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell, the folks who give you the 1st jab of a 2 jab vaccination are quite good at giving and sending reminders. When I got the first of the two-dose Shingrix vaccine, Costco pharmacy told you when to return for your second dose. And they sent AUTOMATED eMail follow up messages. I’m sure CVS, individual physician practices and other vaccine vendors are already equally competent.

But I guess it won’t hurt for duplicate reminders to be issued.


5 posted on 12/04/2020 9:41:32 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: SeekAndFind

I suggest Biden and Kamala go first.


6 posted on 12/04/2020 9:43:30 AM PST by madison10
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To: SeekAndFind

It has taken states over10 years to upgrade systems to comply with the Real ID act for drivers licenses.

And I wonder too, what about the next virus that spreads around the world., or if we have a bad flu season. Will the powers that be decree that we be able.to.prove we got a flu shot or other shots?


7 posted on 12/04/2020 9:44:44 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Same with masks. I have demised breathing because of an Enlarged Heart, while I must wear at doctor’s, I ditch it ASAP. Same original 1.


8 posted on 12/04/2020 9:47:17 AM PST by GailA (I LOVE OUR GUTSY PRESIDENT TRUMP)
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To: SeekAndFind

I suspect that forged Vaccine Cards will be quite common.


9 posted on 12/04/2020 9:47:57 AM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: SeekAndFind

I am not putting an unproven RNA vaccine into my body, and if that means I don’t fly or go on a cruise or go to a concert, then so be it.


10 posted on 12/04/2020 9:48:48 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys )
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To: SeekAndFind

11 posted on 12/04/2020 9:53:29 AM PST by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t disagree with your post however those factors will only be used to justify that all must wear masks and social distance for the rest of our lives.


12 posted on 12/04/2020 9:53:34 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Biden - Not My President!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember, the only information we have on these vaccines is from companies that stand to make trillions from them, especially if their product is the earliest to be widely disseminated.


13 posted on 12/04/2020 9:55:27 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Slyfox

Will never sign a consent form for the cult.

Notice how they attempt to say what “it does”, but not what it “is”.


14 posted on 12/04/2020 10:00:55 AM PST by Varsity Flight ("War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: SeekAndFind

How would “they” issue Vax IDs in the midst of a civil war?


15 posted on 12/04/2020 10:03:15 AM PST by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: Darksheare

Well, if there was ever a time to use their own weapon against them, this is it. If having an ID to vote affects minorities most, then this would certainly even more so.


16 posted on 12/04/2020 10:09:23 AM PST by ferret_airlift
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To: SeekAndFind

Think about this, in regards to ‘cards’:

While the USAF (cannot speak for the rest), was stationed in Thailand, with all the off-base enntertainment, the ‘service providers’ were enxamined by base medical staff, and given a card, like a ‘shot record’. No stamp, no work.
Well, it did not take long for the local national doctors to ‘fix their own stamp’, thereby allowing them to work, whether or not they were examined and found free of ‘amorous diseases’.

I would think that ‘a vaccine card’ could be ‘fixed’, too!!

I won’t do it, period.


17 posted on 12/04/2020 10:10:39 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: SeekAndFind
I already have my "vaccine ID card".
(Oops! Maybe I shouldn't have revealed that ...)
18 posted on 12/04/2020 10:13:13 AM PST by glennaro (“I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest.”)
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To: SeekAndFind

They will add an annual flu shot requirement to the card. Too much money to be made here.


19 posted on 12/04/2020 10:15:45 AM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There must be bodies everywhere.


20 posted on 12/04/2020 10:38:01 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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