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You say, “Recount!” Democrats?
vanity | Nov. 8, 2018 | By Kevin Collins

Posted on 11/08/2018 6:47:54 AM PST by jmaroneps37

The Democrats love recounts. They love them because they think recounts can help them bypass the will of the people.

Whenever a Democrat loses a close election the specter of a recount comes up; but few actually ask for one and almost none succeed in delivering them a victory.

The track record of Democrat recounts we have endured in the recent past is not encouraging for them.

A study by the nonpartisan group called Fair Vote shows just how little return Democrats have realized from recounts.

Here’s what Fair Vote, a non-partisan group found in its study of recounts:

“Recounts typically don’t swing enough votes to change the winner.

“Out of 4,687 statewide general elections between 2000 and 2015, just 27 were followed by recounts…. Just three of those 27 recounts [11%] resulted in a change in the outcome, all leading to wins for Democrats.

“… [of the].. 27 statewide recounts, 15 of which were deemed "consequential" (with an original victory margin no more than 0.15 percent). In other words, there was one recount for every 173 statewide elections and one consequential recount for every 312 statewide elections. This pattern was true of most subcategories of statewide elections as well, including only three consequential recounts out of the 808 elections in this period for the offices of governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state, attorney general and treasurer.

“Outcome reversals are even rarer: Over the 2000-2015 period, recounts resulted in three reversals out of 15 consequential recounts, or one out of every 1562 statewide elections. These reversals took place in the races for U.S. Senate in 2008 in Minnesota, auditor in 2006 in Vermont and governor in 2004 in Washington.

“Margin shifts in recounts are small: Statewide recounts resulted in an average margin swing of 282 votes between the frontrunners, representing 0.0191% of the statewide vote in those elections. The median average shift was 219 votes, with 22 of the 27 recounts changing the victory margin by fewer than 500 votes.

“Margin shifts are smaller and recounts rarer in larger electorates: Recounts in elections with more voters altered the vote margin by lower percentages than recounts in elections with fewer voters.

“In the seven cases in which the total votes cast were above two million, the margin shift was on average 0.016% of the vote. In the eight cases in which the total votes cast were fewer than one million, the margin shift was on average 0.039%. No recounts took place in our three largest states.

From 2000 to 2015 the largest swing came in Florida’s 2000 presidential election recount when Al Gore picked up 1247 votes from a possible pool of more than 5.940 million votes cast.

The Florida Senate election saw more than 8 million votes cast which was 25% more than the 2000 presidential election votes cast.

Rick Scott has a lead of 30,000 which is more than 24 times what Gore was able to find in his recount.

In the Georgia Gubernatorial race there were 3.882 million votes cast and Republican Brian Kemp got 50.3% of the vote while Democrat Stacy Abrams got 48.7%.

In raw numbers Kemp leads by 63,222 votes.

Democrat Abrams’ goal is to force a recount that would drive Kemp’s vote percentage down to 49.9999999% which, under Georgia law, would trigger a runoff.

In order to get Kemp’s total down to runoff territory a recount would have to trim off 11,648 votes in a pool of 3.882 million votes cast.

To achieve that goal Abrams’ recount would have to find more than 50 times the number of “new” votes that Gore’s recount found.


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Democrats being Democrats is a drag but it is the extra price we have to pay to win.
1 posted on 11/08/2018 6:47:54 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

Who pays for a recount?


2 posted on 11/08/2018 6:50:08 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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The key thing is for Democrats to find out the precise numbers. Once they know exactly what is needed, then it’s just a matter of “finding” that number somewhere. Like a closet. Or the trunk of a car.


3 posted on 11/08/2018 6:51:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Tell that to the Senate race in Minnesota some years back when that idiot one on the recount.


4 posted on 11/08/2018 6:54:14 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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To: jmaroneps37

Worked for Al Franken.


5 posted on 11/08/2018 6:54:44 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: jmaroneps37

“and almost none succeed in delivering them a victory.”


Al Franken stole his election using recount after recount until the dems got the result they wanted. Watch out for ballots that “miraculously” appear in a box that everyone forgot in a car trunk.

Fortunately, the repubs are no longer hamstrung by the old consent decree that prevented them from challenging election fraud.


6 posted on 11/08/2018 6:55:58 AM PST by sevlex
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A study by the nonpartisan group...

Is there really such a thing any more?

7 posted on 11/08/2018 6:57:30 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: dp0622

Normally, the person calling for the recount pays for the expenses of that recount.

But in “automatic” recounts, in which the difference is less than a statutorily defined limit, the state pays the administrative costs.


8 posted on 11/08/2018 6:57:45 AM PST by alloysteel (In my defense, I was left unsupervised.)
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To: sevlex

Georgia is not Minnesota. Don’t have tame Democrat Supreme Court Judges to allow illegal votes to be counted in GA like they did in MN. GA Election Law is a lot clearer then the mess the Democrat purposefully created in MN


9 posted on 11/08/2018 6:58:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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>> Just three of those 27 recounts [11%] resulted in a change in the outcome, all leading to wins for Democrats.

That’s 100% victory for Democrats when there is a recount. And those 3 victories were HUGE. They were game changers. Franken in the Senate was one of them.

I’m a big fan of truth, so I have nothing against recounts if there are honest questions and honest recounts. But the evidence says they are not. The evidence points to vote tampering. The opposite of truth.


10 posted on 11/08/2018 6:59:26 AM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: alloysteel

That figures.

i don’t know which is more prone to fraud.

Manual ballot counting or computerized voting.

Prove who you are, get your one time password and vote.

I’m making it sound a lot more simple than it would be i’m sure!!


11 posted on 11/08/2018 7:00:30 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: jmaroneps37

so the Dems have no trouble finding 10’s of thousands of fake votes now ,just wait until they figure out how to store millions of votes in the trunk of a car ,LOL


12 posted on 11/08/2018 7:01:13 AM PST by butlerweave
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“it’s just a matter of “finding” that number somewhere. Like a closet. Or the trunk of a car”

And when they do ‘find’ them, it’s in high democrat areas that went for the Dim by 103%.


13 posted on 11/08/2018 7:01:37 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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“Rick Scott has a lead of 30,000 which is more than 24 times what Gore was able to find in his recount.”

That’s a lot of ballots to find in the trunk of a car.


14 posted on 11/08/2018 7:03:16 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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In Georgia,Kemp got 50.3% of the vote while Democrat Stacy Abrams got 48.7%. In raw numbers Kemp leads by 63,222 votes. Democrat Abrams’ goal is to force a recount that would drive Kemp’s percentage down to 49.9999999% which would trigger a runoff. She would have to trim off 11,648 votes in a pool of 3.882 million votes cast...50 times the number of “new” votes that Gore’s recount found.

Abrams badly needs the governorship b/c:

<><> she owes the IRS over $50,000 in deferred tax payments,

<><> holds more than $170,000 in credit card debt....and....

<><> student loan debt (20 years after she graduated).

15 posted on 11/08/2018 7:05:28 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets;the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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The Democrats love recounts. They love them because they think recounts can help them bypass the will of the people.

They also are a way of harvesting money from their sheep-like sycophant followers.

16 posted on 11/08/2018 7:12:35 AM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: ModelBreaker

It gives the opposition time to come up with a strategy. This is when lawyers will provide needed advice to buy time.
Someone forgot to count somewhere, someplace, in some basement.


17 posted on 11/08/2018 7:12:40 AM PST by FreedBird (i)
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To: jmaroneps37

Evidently Kevin Collins has never seen the size of a Trunk on a 72 Coupe de Ville. Those things can hold a hell of a bunch of boxes full of ballots.

Then there are the Monte Carlo trunks...


18 posted on 11/08/2018 7:43:40 AM PST by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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Evidently Kevin Collins has never seen the size of a Trunk on a 72 Coupe de Ville. Those things can hold a hell of a bunch of boxes full of ballots.
Then there are the Monte Carlo trunks...

“Rick Scott has a lead of 30,000 which is more than 24 times what Gore was able to find in his recount.”
That’s a lot of ballots to find in the trunk of a car.


19 posted on 11/08/2018 7:49:18 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberal is lies.)
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To: generally

>> Just three of those 27 recounts [11%] resulted in a change in the outcome, all leading to wins for Democrats.

That’s 100% victory for Democrats when there is a recount. And those 3 victories were HUGE. They were game changers. Franken in the Senate was one of them.

I’m a big fan of truth, so I have nothing against recounts if there are honest questions and honest recounts. But the evidence says they are not. The evidence points to vote tampering. The opposite of truth.

This is amazing you are so scared that you can’t even see straight Fair Vote says 89% of recounts LOST and NONE came near turning the number needed for success in Fla or Ga.

Try reading the piece. These are not my numbers they are (”non-partisan” ha ha) Fair Vote’s numbes.


20 posted on 11/08/2018 7:53:04 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberal is lies.)
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