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What if Ken Starr Was Right?
NYT ^ | 11/18/17 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 11/18/2017 10:13:48 PM PST by Kartographer

But a moment of reassessment is a good time to reassess things for yourself, so I spent this week reading about the lost world of the 1990s. I skimmed the Starr Report. I leafed through books by George Stephanopoulos and Joe Klein and Michael Isikoff. I dug into Troopergate and Whitewater and other first-term scandals. I reacquainted myself with Gennifer Flowers and Webb Hubbell, James Riady and Marc Rich.

After doing all this reading, I’m not sure my reasonable middle ground is actually reasonable. It may be that the conservatives of the 1990s were simply right about Clinton, that once he failed to resign he really deserved to be impeached.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: broaddrick; clintoon; flowers; hubbell; marcrich; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; partisanmediashills; rossdouthat; starr; troopergate; whitewater
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To: Robert DeLong

Perhaps to follow their example and run Michelle? Horrible thought, but....


41 posted on 11/19/2017 5:17:37 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( I would LOVE to have my old "substandard" insurance back. It didn't mean $24K annual out of pocket)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Well that is being bantered about by some for sure.


42 posted on 11/19/2017 5:42:47 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Kartographer

I don’t get the “what if” part.


43 posted on 11/19/2017 5:53:47 AM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: jobim

Won’t see any of these books in a required reading list for college, eh? We should donate them to his library.


44 posted on 11/19/2017 6:10:04 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Henchster

Or is this yet another play to generate sympathy for Shrillary?


45 posted on 11/19/2017 6:14:29 AM PST by randita (PLEASE STOP ALL THE WORTHLESS VANITIES!)
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To: pepsi_junkie
I believe there is bad blood between the Obama and Clinton wings of the Democrat party stemming back to the 2008 election. Almost certainly, there was a deal made that Hillary would step down (from the race) and endorse Obama in exchange for his support likewise when it became "her turn" to be the nominee.

I don't think Obama ever particularly liked the Clintons and resented having to live up to his pledge to support her in 2016. Perhaps Obama was hoping all that time that she would never actually get the nomination. He was probably secretly rooting for Bernie Sanders.

Anyway, his support for Hillary during the 2016 general election seemed lukewarm and he appeared to be going through the motions when he had to speak on her behalf. It was telling on Election Night when it became obvious that Trump would win that Obama called Hillary and basically ordered her to concede. Remember that Hillary had no plans to concede that night and she put Podesta out there to send her supporters home. It was Obama that basically talked sense into her and shortly after that, she made the call to Donald Trump.

Two days later, Obama warmly welcomed Trump to the White House. I think it was not so much warmth towards Trump but private relief that it was not Hillary he was handing the White House over to.

Throughout the Obama Administration, it was still pretty much still the Clintons' Democrat Party and I think Obama has had quite enough of the Clintons. Think about it. In the year since the election, almost nobody talks about Obama anymore. Yet Hillary is everywhere in the media. It's almost like Hillary is the ex-president and that the eight years of Obama never even happened. So yes, I think Obama is sick and tired of the Clintons as are most of the rest of the Democrats.

46 posted on 11/19/2017 6:15:33 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: j.havenfarm

I agree. There was no doubt about GUILT at the time. The only question in the Democrats minds was “power”. They valued the power to abort above all others. Thus they supported Bill Clinton.

Period.


47 posted on 11/19/2017 6:18:11 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Kartographer

The saving grace in that whole mess of crap is that Al Gore never got to be president.


48 posted on 11/19/2017 6:20:18 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Kartographer

The Obama camp wants the Clintons out of the picture so they can run Moochelle in 2020.


49 posted on 11/19/2017 6:40:31 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (SCHLONGED: How Donald Trump Beat My Lying, Marxist Ass and Went On to Win the November Election. HRC)
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To: Flaming Conservative

Yes.

All things being equal, including Weinstein being exposed opening the floodgates to expose others, what would the left be saying if Hillary had won? That said, would the media gatekeepers ever allowed the Weinstein story to come up if she had won? Is this all just a new phase in the swamp’s “Never Trump”? On the other hand, perhaps Weinstein being exposed in an effect of what Wikileaks exposed about pedophilia by the rich and powerful. Pizzagate hasn’t been forgotten and won’t be. The cat is out of the bag.


50 posted on 11/19/2017 7:11:46 AM PST by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: Kartographer; jobim; j.havenfarm; jerod; pepsi_junkie; stanne; ifinnegan; Enterprise; ...
Bill. Clinton. Raped. A. Woman.

Bill Clinton lied under oath is a sexual harassment case.

Bill Clinton had the State Police bully women into servicing him.

No one gives a damn if he had an affair - that's a red herring... it's food for stupid journalist who want to kiss democrat butt for a living.

Too little too late Ross Douthat ... we know the truth. We know the lies liberal elites are pushing now... - the lie of 'it's all the same' the equivalency...

The New York Times is pretending they care about everyday women because they want to use their phony 'concern about women' to use as a weapon to go after Republicans for sexual 'jaywalking... Jaywalking ' compared to crimes committed by democrat filth like Bill Clinton and his witch.

Eff you Ross Douthat and the newspaper you rode in on...

51 posted on 11/19/2017 7:44:29 AM PST by GOPJ (https://www.reddit.com/r/StumpSheet/comments/6ec3z1/fake_hate_crimes_official/)
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To: Kartographer

The Clintons are now so far under the bus they have to use a telescope to see the bus bottom.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the good guys are really winning these days?


52 posted on 11/19/2017 7:46:04 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: jazzlite
To many here on FR, this book is the beginning of it all...


53 posted on 11/19/2017 7:54:33 AM PST by GRRRRR (Make America Greater Than Ever Before!)
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To: GOPJ

And when he’s done riding that newspaper he can stuff it where the sun don’t shine.


54 posted on 11/19/2017 8:01:54 AM PST by Enterprise (Do away with all symbols of past slavery. Start with the Democrat Party.)
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To: Enterprise

The entrenched Liberal / Socialist media has never advanced any scandal involving a democrat ever... The best example, John F..King Kennedy. Everybody in the ‘mainstream’ media knew Kennedy was a lech, and even the Republicans knew, but I’m pretty sure that the Republican strategist of the time were likely waiting until the 64 election to expose his perversions.

Lee Harvey spoiled what would have been a glorious defeat of Kennedy... After all, it was 1963 and the man was campaigning in Texas, a state he supposedly didn’t even need to worry about in 1964. My father was always of the mind that if Kennedy hadn’t been assassinated, that he would have lost that election. Given the bombshells we know of that could have been dropped during the final weeks of that ill fated and never run campaign, that isn’t hard to imagine.

Next best example... Bill Clinton. Even though the second term of his presidency exposed how perverted and obviously corrupt he was, the media cheered him on and feminist came to his defence and don’t kid yourself... If Bubba were in office today they would do the same in a heartbeat. The man ordered the bombing of an abandoned pill factory during Monica Lewinsky’s testimony and then he ordered the bombing of an entire country on the very same day that the congress impeached him... It doesn’t get much more corrupt than that. The use of America’s military to change the subject.

And example three... Obama, the death of an ambassador and the the cover up and now the investigation that everybody now knows about, but nobody knew about for five years of his administration, Uranium One.

There is nothing more pathetic and disgusting than the behaviour of the United States media when it comes to their obvious political leanings. And that is what is so glorious about the election of Trump. It infuriates them to insanity that their influence has and is being ignored by the American people. I guess keeping a pervert in office and then electing an incompetent president for two full terms has it’s drawbacks... People can now tune them and their BS out, thanks to the internets.


55 posted on 11/19/2017 8:02:47 AM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: Kartographer

I’ve been watching how al of a sudden the dems have been piling on Bill Clinton sex assaults...interesting.

I am inclined to believe the Never-Trumpers and the Dems are gearing up to make another run at President Trump on a new fabricated sex charge.

They are starting to drop crumbs all over the MSM about Trumps (fake) sex assaults against women. They are up to something.....


56 posted on 11/19/2017 8:10:47 AM PST by Ms Mable
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To: \/\/ayne

>>Douthat: Yes, the Republicans were too partisan, the Starr Report was too prurient and Clinton’s haters generated various absurd conspiracy theories.

Howbowda?

Mueller’s investigation is too partisan (hand picked team of Clintonistas and Obamunists).
The so-call dossier is too prurient.
Trump haters (including Hitlery Rotten Clinton herself) are generating various absurd conspiracy theories.


57 posted on 11/19/2017 8:14:11 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Did Barack Obama denounce Communism and dictatorships when he visited Cuba as a puppet of the State?)
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To: SamAdams76
I don't think Obama ever particularly liked the Clintons and resented having to live up to his pledge to support her in 2016.

"You're likeable enough, Hillary...".

I do believe he grudgingly admired Bill though, for his political acumen and ability to connect with people.

58 posted on 11/19/2017 8:28:47 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Kartographer

Brilliant - give Douthat another 20 years and he may be able to come to the conclusion that there was something vaguely suspicious about the fact that almost every detail and record of Obama’s life before entering the public sphere was hidden, as were numerous aspects of his life afterwards.


59 posted on 11/19/2017 8:34:16 AM PST by Stosh
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To: j.havenfarm

Ross Douthat knows nothing. He was 19 years old at the time of the impeachment. All he’s heard is regurgitated RAT pabulum.


60 posted on 11/19/2017 8:35:23 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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