Posted on 10/20/2017 3:28:51 PM PDT by Duke C.
The NHS will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking, under controversial plans drawn up in Hertfordshire.
The restrictions - thought to be the most extreme yet to be introduced by health services - immediately came under attack from the Royal College of Surgeons.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Call me what you will, but if you are so obese that operating on you risks the health ( from back injuries) of the medical staff attending you, and also risks their livelihood due to liability and being censured for complications - then no elective surgery for you. No fat acceptance here.
“This is a blatant lie, by law you cannot be denied medical treatment”
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Humm ... didn’t work that way for me - but then your millage may very
Talk about a cruel government.
Tobacco use is an addiction.
Are they refusing to operate on alcoholics, cocaine addicts, heroin addicts.... coffee drinkers?
“They become emergent over time”
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Assuming one does not have something happen suddenly ...
“Bullets and ropes are coming too.”
I wouldnt want to be the bureaucrats or politicians who try to institute this in the US.
Wow! no appendectomies for the obese.
No gall bladder surgery for the smoker.
People dying of medieval illness.
“I also want to add- Obese patients are physically hard to operate on. They are much more difficult to determine anesthesia dosage. Not to mention the wear and tear on physicians and nurses lifting these patients.”
Bull shit. Dosage is based on body weight, Easy calculation. Weight? Try harder. Im not obese.In an earlier life I dissected obese cadavers in college. Repulsive but all you have to do is cut thru with a sharp instrument.
I have a friend who could get no surgery until he quit smoking for 8 weeks. It was an elective knee replacement but he wanted a very good person to do the surgery. He quit. Hasn’t gone back yet.
I am sure you can get some surgeon to do your knee replacement. If you want a big name, highly regarded one, you’ll have to lose weight, quit smoking or be an important politician.
I am a nurse. I know many surgeons. They do not want to operate on obese patients for ELECTIVE surgery. They are hard to move, anesthetic dosage is difficult to calculate because you have to factor dosage vs metabolism ( easy to under or overdose due to fatty tissue vs mucle which absorbs differently) , they have a high rate of complications, especially infection. They are harder to intubate, tissue retraction is difficult, they run a high risk of DVTand PE.
The surgery takes twice as long. They are slower to mobilize postop. They require special gurneys, wheelchairs and x ray imaging is harder to visualize.
They are hard on nursing staff. I have seen many nurses ( including myself ) get injured taking care of obese patients.
What really gets me is the attitude i get from obese patients. We are not allowed to say obese anymore, that might hurt their feelings. Crazy.
I remember working in a clinic where a woman who was easily 500 pounds asked me if she should use a wheelchair to move around at work. I told her that she should walk, as that is more healthier. She made a complaint to administration because I told her to walk. We all had a good laugh at that.
You go ask any surgeon what their weight cutoff is. I know some surgeons whose limit is 35, others 40.
If you have no respect for own health to get fat, then dont expect the medical caregivers to risk their health and livelihood to take care of you.
BMI is much more of a factor to surgeons than smoking.
The NHS members have names and addresses. Man up and go correct them up close and personal. If you jellyfish English wimps can’t do that, enjoy a Nazi jackboot in your face forever.
If you let gov’t control health care this is what you get. Put some ice on it...
My daughter works in the Emergency Room at a local hospital during the Power shift (11:00pm to 6:00 AM).
They refer to the heroin addicts as “Frequent Flyers”. The staff sees a lot of the same faces over and over.
They don’t hold back any care. When they OD and come out of it through the use of Narcan, they often soil themselves. Often they come in soiled already, unconscious.
They usually are given access to a shower & toiletries to clean themselves up, given a meal, provided fresh clothes from donated collections or their existing clothes are washed for them. When released, the are given rides via taxi or Lyft to their destination (wherever they call home). No one ever pays anything.
No one in this hospital (or others in the city) is ever denied any services regardless of their circumstance or ability to pay. Lack of Health Insurance does not equate to lack of Health Care.
Had a relative very overweight with knee problems. Saw a very reputable orthopedic doctor. Told them no surgery on the knees until the weight came off.
You can keep smoking if you like your smokes...
“No. It is already here. Try to find a surgeon who will operate on you while you continue to smoke or if you are quite overweight.”
So if a smoker or fat person is involved in a car accident and needs surgery, the surgeon can refuse to work on them in the ER? Or the hospital can refuse them entry?
Yikes!
If it is an emergency, then of course they will operate. They have the choice not to operate when it is not an emergency, what we call an elective procedure.
Fat acceptance? What the hell is your problem? Some people are fat through no fault of their own. You’re sick, a tyrant, a dictator.
We’re making a list. Don’t be on it when the call comes.
Hey, I sympathize and agree with you 100%. My favorite people are nurses and sterwardesses (yes, I am old school). I’ve had three surgeries since 2009 and a number of “procedures”. Also, in 2009 I had a 9 day hospital stay thanks to ice and 7 broken ribs/bruised lung. In all cases I’ve loved the nursing profession. I am a little overweight (220, 6 ‘) but not preposterous. My beef wouldd be rejection for surgery because I smoke...a pipe and rare cigar. Never had any complaints or problems with doctors. Morbidly obese people are another issue. Hard to gin up sympathy.
Love you RN’s!
Your daughter deserves a lot of credit——that is tough work.
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“Not necessarily true. If it’s an emergency you cannot be denied.”
True. Some mercenary private hospitals have been known to transport unstable uninsured patients to county hospitals etc., but this is potentially actionable legally.
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