What Would Really Happen If California Seceded?

There are two kinds of people who support the Calexit movement. People living in California who think that their state would be far better off without being hitched to the rest of the union, and people living in every other state who can’t wait to get rid of California.

I’d wager that latter of those two know something that most Calexit supporters in California do not. They know that the golden state is a toxic influence on the rest of the country. It’s become a breeding ground for leftists ideologies, and the people who believe those ideologies have run the state into the ground. As California slips further into debt and the cost of living mounts, those people are moving away to states where there are more opportunities.

But rather than abandoning the beliefs that turned their previous home into an expensive bureaucratic hellhole, they often vote and behave just like they did in California. They turn cities in conservative states into bastions leftist deterioration… little microcosms of where they came from.

That’s why it’s pretty obvious that if California really did secede from the United States, it wouldn’t suddenly be unshackled from the rest of the country. The state wouldn’t become some beacon of progressive values and prosperity. Without the balancing influence of the rest of the country, which keeps California in check to some degree, everything wrong with the state would be amplified. Rather than being free to pursue some grand destiny, California would only be free to pursue the same wrongheaded policies that have driven it towards such a stark, downward trajectory.

That fact was on display recently, when Calexit leader Shankar Singam went on Tucker Carlson Tonight. During the interview, Tucker challenged the notion that California would be able to manage itself properly. He brought up the fact that hundreds of thousands of upper and middle class people have left the state in recent years, which to any sane person would be an indication that their government is doing something terribly wrong to drive these people away.

Singam would beg to differ. He admitted, without any coaxing, that this wave of fleeing middle class Californians is a good thing, because it makes room for more immigrants, and helps spread Californian ideals to the rest of the country.

You heard that correctly. He thinks it’s good to push out productive citizens and replace them low skilled migrants.

It’s obvious what would happen if California became it’s own country. The middle class would be hollowed out. It would immediately turn into a banana republic, where you are either a wealthy elitist or an impoverished peasant who is dependent on the state. Though it wouldn’t be in California’s best interest to secede, it’s apparent that America can’t get rid of this cesspool fast enough.

Yep . . . and it would certainly be nice not to have their 55 electoral votes automatically go to the D’s. Plus 2 Senators . . . and however many D Congress Critters there are. Would be wonderful to get rid of Pelosi, Waters, Schiff and others in one fell swoop~!!!!

21 posted on 08/03/2017 1:13:24 PM PDT by Qwackertoo (Worst 8 years ever, First Affirmative Action President, I hope those who did this to us SUFFER MOST!)

To: RegulatorCountry

Yep. It would mainly be areas within 75 miles of the coast from north of San Diego to San Francisco that would exit.

22 posted on 08/03/2017 1:16:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)

- The U.S. would likely withdraw their military bases, a huge economic impact.

The military bases are not California property - they are US property. If California wants the property, they would have to purchase it outright. Otherwise, it would be like having several Gitmos in the new Mexifornia.

23 posted on 08/03/2017 1:16:44 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)

"What Would Really Happen If California Seceded?"

What happened the last time that was tried?!

24 posted on 08/03/2017 1:18:14 PM PDT by Carl Vehse

The closest name for it would be Mexuzuela. A toxic combination of the worst of both countries created by the six sigma to the left portion of the Bell Curve, otherwise known as progressives.

25 posted on 08/03/2017 1:19:06 PM PDT by Da Coyote

If we could extend the border wall around it Escape From New York style, the new People's Democratic Republic of California would make a great penal colony into which to dump our illegal aliens, street gang thugs, child rapists, and other Democrat voters.

26 posted on 08/03/2017 1:20:52 PM PDT by Parody

#1: The U.S.A. would allow those California counties whose citizens vote to remain in the U.S.A. to remain, as the U.S. State of California.

#2: Mexicans and other foreigners would flood into California.

#3: La Raza would declare itself the only legitimate government of California.

#4: The U.S.A. would re-invoke the Monroe Doctrine, declaring the Nation of California off-limits to foreign control and make it, de facto or de jure, a U.S. protectorate.

#5: Drug Cartels would move in and take over.

#5: California Leftists would try to flee the crime and anarchy. They would find that the U.S. has erected a wall to prevent them from entering the U.S.

#6: The U.S.--devoid of California Leftists insanity--would prosper beyond anyone's wildest dreams!

That'll do for a starter.

27 posted on 08/03/2017 1:25:58 PM PDT by Savage Beast (You can drive coast to coast without ever crossing a district run by Democrats! MAGA = Renaissance!)

To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Venezuela and Detroit

28 posted on 08/03/2017 1:27:44 PM PDT by Savage Beast (You can drive coast to coast without ever crossing a district run by Democrats! MAGA = Renaissance!)

To: SeekAndFind; All

As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

Based on the insight of another FReeper, repealing the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (17A) would arguably have the effect of ALL states seceding from the Union without actually doing so.

Getting rid of 17A would help put a major dent in not only putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that Congress cannot justify under its Article I, Section 8-limited powers, but also putting a stop to unconstitutional federal government interference in the affairs of the sovereign states.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]." —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

In addition to patriots supporting Trump in leading the states to repeal 17A, patriots also need to support Trump in putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

Once unconstitutional federal taxes are stopped, the states will probably find a tsunami of new state revenues (higher state taxes), that they won’t know what to do with, establishing their own healthcare programs, improving public schools, increasing funding for police and fire departments and repairing infrastructure for starters.

Drain the ~~swamp~~ sewer! Drain the sewer!

Remember in November 2018 !

Since corrupt Congress is the biggest part of the sewer (imo) that Trump wants to drain, it is actually up to patriots to drain the sewer in the 2018 elections, patriots supporting Trump by electing as many new members of Congress as they can who will support Trump.

In the meanwhile, patriots need to make sure that there are plenty of Trump-supporting candidates on the primary ballots.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to make sure that candidates are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed above.

Also, unlike incumbent members of Congress who wrongly remained silent while misguided state officials abridged the constitutionally enumerated rights of citizens during the lawless Obama Administration, patriots need to make sure that candidates on the 2018 primary ballots commit to the following.

Candidates need to commit to making and enforcing 14th Amendment-related laws to prosecute misguided state officials who use state powers to abridge constitutionally enumerated protections, 1st Amendment-protected religious expression and free speech for example, such actions prohibited by Section 1 of the 14th Amendment.

”14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Again, drain the sewer! Drain the sewer!

29 posted on 08/03/2017 1:28:19 PM PDT by Amendment10