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It's now fine for airlines to drag off a passenger if it comes out later he has a record
Canada Free Press ^ | 04/12/17 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 04/12/2017 2:59:12 PM PDT by Sean_Anthony

No. It's not.

Apparently it's now fine for airlines to drag off a passenger if it comes out later he has a criminal record

Here’s a question: Did the media go digging up the guy’s criminal history on its own? Or did the airlines put some oppo researcher on the case and feed it to a friendly reporter? Because that would be one hell of a PR counteroffensive if it turned out the airline’s fingerprints were on it.

Better question: Does it matter? Is a corporation justified in treating a customer like inhuman garbage if it comes out after the fact that the customer had a history of being a bad, bad boy?


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: airlines; criminalrecord; overbooking; united
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To: Sean_Anthony
Did not know it was United employees that they were making room for.

Wonder how many times this has happened before without somebody refusing on leaving short of force. Guess it took somebody losing their temper for people to notice. Should we be surprised it was somebody a bit unstable?

21 posted on 04/12/2017 3:14:58 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, because more importantly there’s a sale at Penny’s!


22 posted on 04/12/2017 3:15:49 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: miss marmelstein

And if it was you that was dragged out bleeding?


23 posted on 04/12/2017 3:18:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: miss marmelstein
He traded drugs for sex with an adult.

He's no choirboy, but he's no drug pusher to kids, either.

In any case, his past has been adjudicated and has nothing to do with United's mistreatment.

24 posted on 04/12/2017 3:19:05 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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To: Mariner

I’m not a third world immigrant who is a drug pusher. And I would leave in a civil manner. I’ve had my own troubles with airlines and never had to be tazed.


25 posted on 04/12/2017 3:21:15 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Sean_Anthony
This guy refused to get off the plane and even told the LE he was going to sue the airline if they tried to remove him. The screaming was more drama designed to build his case. That he came running back onto the flight mumbling about having to go home and "just kill me" makes clear he's not playing with a full deck.

United picked the wrong guy to bump and now they'll have to pay a lot more than they would if they'd been able to increase the compensation for finding volunteers. United takes all the blame when much of the blame belongs with government.

26 posted on 04/12/2017 3:22:10 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Sean_Anthony

No. But the man said no and the directions were - get off. He did not and ended up in trouble.


27 posted on 04/12/2017 3:23:05 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: Sean_Anthony

Or maybe his law breaking flaming personality was a factor in why the employees had to call the police.


28 posted on 04/12/2017 3:27:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Sean_Anthony

It is very simple, and the above article and public high dudgeon against UAL are all ridiculous.

The airline has the right, for any nondiscriminatory purpose, to remove any pax from an a/c. at any time the door is open. You may not like it, and there are rules for compensation, but that is the law, the filed tariffs and the Contract of Carriage.

The passenger refused the flight attendant’s repeated requests then legal demands over a 12 minute period that he leave the aircraft. He was then in violation of 49 U.S. Code § 46504

United then called law enforcement to remove him, as required by law. Chicago LEO’s asked/told him on multiple occasions that he had to leave a/c. That’s when he began his false cries that he had to be in surgery the next morning.

They then ordered him to leave one more time. LEOs then told him he was under arrest for repeated vio of 49 U.S. Code § 46504 and Illinois law (Failure to Obey...) and he would have to leave with them.

He refused to comply and passively then violently resisted that lawful arrest.

LEOs then had to extract him from his seat and he fought them.

Then the video started.

The entire violence was caused by an arrested man resisting that arrest and removal from the a/c. Did Chicago LEO’s overreact? Possibly, but the blame is not UAL’s. It started when the pax refused multiple lawful orders, resisted arrest, and what happened subsequently was his fault.

A parallel example. You are stopped for 40 in a 30. When running your license, the LEO gets a hit saying you have an open warrant from Spokane, Washington. He announces he is going to arrest you and take you to jail for that.

His information is wrong, and you know it, because you have never been within 500 miles of the State of Washington.

Regardless, you must submit to the arrest or face the physical and legal consequences for not doing do. You later have good grounds for a civil suit, but that is for arguing later, not on the street, on in airline seat.


29 posted on 04/12/2017 3:30:02 PM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: miss marmelstein
There is no excuse for a paying customer to be tazed and or beat up if such customer is not a threat or danger to the customers around him. UAL handled this poorly. The Chicago Aviation Authority suspended the offending officer. Guess which parties are wrong in this situation? It is not the 69 year old man.
30 posted on 04/12/2017 3:30:27 PM PDT by Chgogal (I will NOT submit, therefore, Jihadists hate me.)
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To: miss marmelstein
The man is a drug pusher out of Kentucky - the one state that has the highest amount of opioid addiction in the country. Another immigrant winner! I'll bet some of the parents of the kids he pushed drugs on is cheering United, lol.

I haven't seen it reported that he pushed them to kids. That's the kind of thing you better be sure about before making such a claim. What is your source?

Another thing. The doctor who got beat up may not be the same doctor who pushed pills. See Post #12 and Post #101

31 posted on 04/12/2017 3:30:32 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: Sean_Anthony

There seems to be two people with almost the same last name who the MSMLSD may have attributed to the wrong guy ala Aurora movie shooting. More seems to be coming.


32 posted on 04/12/2017 3:38:32 PM PDT by SkyDancer (The 3 most common expressions in aviation are, 'Why is it doing that?, 'Where are we?' and 'Oh Crap')
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To: Sean_Anthony

1. United should have determined the overbooking before anyone boarded.
2. The man should not have acted like a spoiled 2 year old. When security asked him to leave, he should have walked off the plane. Be angry, throw your SkyMall, whatever. Just leave.
3. If a crew member had tried to reason for the man for, say, an hour, how long before the other passengers scream “DRAG HIM OFF!”
4. The man is also a tournament poker player, he should know that sometimes you are dealt a bad beat.


33 posted on 04/12/2017 3:39:06 PM PDT by trublu
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To: dfwgator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

“They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into...”


34 posted on 04/12/2017 3:39:26 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Get used to it - President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Sean_Anthony

Has the most important question about him been answered? Did he vote for Donald Trump?


36 posted on 04/12/2017 4:20:44 PM PDT by TChad (Propagandists should not be treated like journalists.)
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To: miss marmelstein; dfwgator
Uh, no.
Uh, yes...

Source: Above the Law

But the thing going on with Dao might be different because it seems likely that the alt-right latched onto the criminal record of the wrong David Dao. From the Independent:
There is presently confusion about whether the man on the United flight was actually David Thanh Duc Dao, quite possibly another person entirely to David Anh Duy Dao, the man with the criminal records.
Likely, the confusion just leads back to some dumbass internet jockeys. But would you entirely put it past United to have leaked out some of this information, given how awful their initial reaction to the situation was?

If Dao sues — when he sues — the only good move for United would be to give Dao whatever he wants, as quickly and quietly as possible. They want to take “full responsibility.” They want to “make it right,” then pay the man.


37 posted on 04/12/2017 4:28:27 PM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
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To: Paradox

He surely did and it will probably be in the millions. Beats that $400.00 bucks and a hotel room.


38 posted on 04/12/2017 4:32:17 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Sean_Anthony

There may be worse than UA but its the worse I ever flied, once.

Its been leading a race to the bottom for over a decade,

Screw them!


39 posted on 04/12/2017 8:10:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Trump declares war!)
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To: Paradox

Except its not in the rules. Perhaps you should read them.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21


40 posted on 04/12/2017 8:45:17 PM PDT by JayGalt
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