Posted on 02/01/2016 12:21:23 PM PST by juliosevero
On October 2015 Brazilian philosopher Olavo de Carvalho said in his Brazilian Twitter, "A entidade chamada Inquisicao e uma invencao ficcional de protestantes." Translation: "The entity called the Inquisition was a fictional invention of Protestants." His original statement is here.
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They have Two Weapons: Fear and Surprise and Ruthless Efficiency.
That was unexpected.
It was a hideous blot on church history no matter how it’s looked at. Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, agnostic, almost anything. Only the devil could love it.
“To be fair” on a secular level, its death toll shrinks to microscopic size when compared with Islamic atrocities, or even worse, official atheist atrocities (i.e. Communism).
But these murders were not the worst murders it committed. The worst murders were its murders of soul. These were people with no excuse not to know the gospel — and they treated it as their selfish cudgel, until it could not be identified as gospel anymore. Forget Mary — Don’t you think JESUS wept?
I’ve heard that there was a bad infiltration of Islamists into the church at that point in history, which led to its hideous torture practices. Maybe there was. However we still have a church asleep at the wheel, permitting it. A church that at this point in time mostly worshiped itself.
Why was there any Christianity at all going on in it, it is to be wondered. Well if it weren’t for the Lord’s promise to keep the church alive, there wouldn’t be any. However it showed how hideous the church can get, and it should serve as a warning to all churches today of any denomination. May it be the “NEVER AGAIN” of Christendom.
The Inquistion, what a show
The Inquistion, here we go
We know you're wishing
That we'd go away
But the Inquistion's here and it's here to stay
Gallows humor is almost the only way we can illustrate it today without becoming ill.
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The Inquisition executed between 8 and 12 thousand people over its entire 300 year history. Soviet Russia executed 15 thousand people *a month* for political crimes under Lenin, and that was before Stalin really got things going.
The people executed under the Inquisition actually got trials, to boot. Not so much in Russia.
“It was a hideous blot on church history no matter how it’s looked at. Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, agnostic, almost anything. Only the devil could love it.”
Same could be said about the Protestant Revolution.
“But these murders were not the worst murders it committed.”
They weren’t murders.
“The worst murders were its murders of soul.”
Which is a natural result of heresy - heresies like Protestantism.
“These were people with no excuse not to know the gospel — and they treated it as their selfish cudgel, until it could not be identified as gospel anymore.”
Wow, Protestantism again.
“Forget Mary — Don’t you think JESUS wept?”
No. He’s in Heaven. There’s no weeping there. And that is our hope for the end of time: Revelation 21:4.
“I’ve heard that there was a bad infiltration of Islamists into the church at that point in history, which led to its hideous torture practices.”
No. Torture ALWAYS existed. And none of the tortures used by inquisitors - which was quite rare and much more rare that what was used in the usual state criminal cases - were “Islamic”. Torture was for information alone, and even then that information could not be used against the suspected person in the legal proceedings as we might think. No permanent harm was to come to the person tortured. No bones were to be broken, no skin was to be broken, etc. A torture session was only supposed to be for 15 minutes and was to only happen once and not repeated. Think of the U.S. government’s water boarding of terrorists. It was similar.
“Maybe there was. However we still have a church asleep at the wheel, permitting it.”
Not asleep at all.
“A church that at this point in time mostly worshiped itself.”
No, actually entirely focused on the worship of the Trinity.
“Why was there any Christianity at all going on in it, it is to be wondered.”
It’s not to be wondered. Christ established the Church among men.
“Well if it weren’t for the Lord’s promise to keep the church alive, there wouldn’t be any. However it showed how hideous the church can get, and it should serve as a warning to all churches today of any denomination. May it be the “NEVER AGAIN†of Christendom.”
No, the “NEVER AGAIN” of Christendom - which no longer exists thanks to Protestantism - would be either:
1) another wave of Islamic conquest of Christian peoples. In terms of tragedy the Islamic conquest of North Africa - which was entirely Christian - was a tragedy many thousands of times worse than all inquisitions combined.
0r, 2) another Protestant-like revolt which would destroy millions and millions of souls with heresy, lead to wars as it did in Germany (one-third of Germany was wiped out in the Thirty Years’ War), and a weakened West open to Islamic conquest (just as it left Europe in the 16th and 17th century).
In all fairness, the Inquisition needs some context.
In Spain of the time, there was already a royal inquisition, but it was weak and ineffective. But at the same time, there was great and evil perversion in Spain. Some convents were little more than brothels, some churches were pagan enclaves with fallen priests conducting profane rituals and carrying out orgies. Otherwise, much of the land still had deep undercurrents of paganism in it, often corrupting Catholic practices as badly as does Voodoo in the Caribbean.
It was obvious and pretty horrifying to the average Spaniard. This was why they begged the church to set up an Inquisition, to root out all this nasty stuff.
The timing was also good for it to spread to the new world.
When the Conquistadors arrived in the Aztec Empire, these hardened mercenaries were horrified by what they saw there. Wanting to destroy every aspect of that evil society, an accompanying priest prevented the destruction of a huge library of codexes, scrolls, that contained their knowledge.
He intended to return them to Spain as valuable documents. And then he read them. He was so utterly horrified with what he had read, like the conquistadors, he was convinced beyond any doubt that any trace of this civilization had to be annihilated. He personally burned the codexes.
Meanwhile, back in Spain, the Inquisition did what it could before it went utterly rotten. While they did persecute the Jews and others, this was at the behest of the monarch. It also engaged in a lot of de-Islamification as well.
Break out “THE CUMFY CUSSION”!
Oh dear, if this is worship of Trinity, who would want Trinity?
The Protestants have vastly outclassed you and you are bitter jealous.
“Comparing the Inquisition (by itself) to Nazism and Communism is ridiculous on its face.”
Only to a collectivist point of view that sees masses. If the power that be, calls in an individual, examines his theological views, and tortures or executes, yes, they are as bad as Nazis or communists.
If it was your wife, father, son or daughter that got called in and tortured or murdered, yes, it is not ridiculous. A person caught in the inquisition would find much in common to discuss with a Jew in Poland, or a Kulak in Ukraine.
And an inquisition trial had very much in common with soviet justice circa 1933. They were both solely for show, with rigged rules and insane evidence.
Its insane to resent the RCC of today because of the inquisition. Its just as evil to defend and minimize it by saying it was only 8,000 to 12,000.
I notice no Pope today would dare say something that nutty, “hey, it was only 12,000 or so. And Nazis were even worse”.
John Paul II would have never said that.
This is what happens when Christians took on themselves what they were never commanded to do. To become a part of Caesar. Now they had to keep Caesar’s premises pure, or what they thought was pure.
Look at the ridiculous attempts to defend it, right here, and there had to be at least one such rabid attempt.
There was nothing Christian about the church that did these ghastly acts. Not even of only against one person.
And love your defense, “protestants did it too”.
Of course they did. And too bad the 38 snub hadn’t been invented. Because the protestant judges at Salem, guys like Calvin himself, and a few others deserved a bullet at the moment they were engaged in ecclesiastical murder. And I can happily say none were ordained by Jesus or doing his work.
Neither was Rome back then. Thankfully they are not in error these days.
I do not assign the slightest guilt to the Roman church today. But I also do not accept that the church back then was anything but evil, small minded and oppressive. Most protestants of the era suffered the same disgusting leaders.
But you wont find a protestant celebrating Salem.
“another Protestant-like revolt which would destroy millions and millions of souls with heresy”
The pope does not agree with you that protestants are damned.
From the Catholic catechism.
“ “…one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [i.e., Protestant churches] that resulted from such separation and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. All who have been justified by faith in baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.—
You can complain to the Vatican if you disagree.
“While they did persecute the Jews and others, this was at the behest of the monarch”
A steaming pantload. We always hear this excuse, that the Monarchs made all the rules and the innocent church meekly did what they said. Already some weak sisters even if true. But the fact is that the monarchs of that time gained legitimacy only through their acceptance by Rome.
The tail didn’t wag the dog. Monarchs didn’t tell the church what to do. Ferdinand would have been out on his ear if the pope disagreed. And he was a devout Catholic, the papacy had plenty of tools to deal with him if they opposed his ideas.
But they didn’t.
Ten Hail Calvins are in order. (JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING)
Man, this is what happens when an earthly organization thinks it has gotten anointed the Boss of Souls on Behalf of God.
Literally, its shit can’t stink. It has defined that possibility away.
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