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2016 Conservative Tax Plans: Trump vs. Carson
Natural Born Conservative ^ | October 21, 2015 | Larry Walker II

Posted on 10/21/2015 1:27:16 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative

Placing Principles before Personalities

Every time in this century we've lowered the tax rates across the board, on employment, on saving, investment and risk-taking in this economy, revenues went up, not down. ~ Jack Kemp

:: By: Larry Walker, II ::

Dr. Ben Carson doesn’t really have a tax plan at all, yet he’s number 2 in the polls among conservative Republicans. On the other hand, Donald Trump has a very detailed tax reduction plan. In a nutshell, Trump’s plan eliminates taxes on individuals making less than $25,000 and on couples making less than $50,000, lowers the top marginal rate to 25%, just as Calvin Coolidge did under the 1924 Mellon Tax Bill, and lowers the top corporate tax rate to just 15%. It’s time for conservatives to grow up and start focusing on principles rather than personalities. Do that and Trump wins easily.

Dr. Ben Carson’s Tax Theory

Here’s the entirety of Dr. Ben Carson’s Tax Plan which may be found on his official website :

The American People Deserve a Better Tax Code

The current tax code now exceeds 74,000 pages in length. That is an abomination.

It is too long, too complex, too burdensome, and too riddled with tax shelters and loopholes that benefit only a few at the direct expense of the many.

We need wholesale tax reform.

And, we won’t get that from career politicians in Washington. They’re too deeply vested in the current system to deliver the kind of bold, fresh, new reforms that the American people are demanding.

We need a fairer, simpler, and more equitable tax system. Our tax form should be able to be completed in less than 15 minutes. This will enable us to end the IRS as we know it.

Yep, that’s it. Thus far, Dr. Carson has been able to skirt by without offering more than a shallow critique of the current tax system. His overly simplistic solution fails to address landlords, freelancers, investors, owners of pass-through entities, owners of multiple entities, corporations, trusts and estates, and the death tax to name a few. A simple tax form that takes 15 minutes might work for someone who receives one or two W-2 Forms, a pension, or Social Security benefits, but it’s not going to cut it for the varied real-life complexities that many Americans face in this day and age.

“It is too long, too complex, too burdensome, and too riddled with tax shelters and loopholes that benefit only a few at the direct expense of the many.” Yeah, yeah, that’s what they all say, but what’s Carson’s alternative? In an interview with FOX Business Network’s Stuart Varney, Dr. Carson elaborated on his tax proposal, stating that it would be based on the Old Testament Biblical principle of tithing. Great, just like the Israelites were commanded to do around the year 1300 B.C.

Dr. Carson stated: “You make $10 billion, you pay a billion. You make $10, you pay one [dollar]. [Of] course I would get rid of all the deductions and all of the loopholes but here’s the key, people, they look at a guy who put in a billion dollars, he’s got $9 billion left, that’s not fair -- we need to take more of his money. That’s called socialism. And what made America … a great nation was we had a very different attitude. We would say he just put in a billion dollars, let’s create an environment that’s even better for him so that next year he can make $20 billion and put in $2 billion. That’s how we went from nowhere to the pinnacle of the world in record time. And it’s growth, it’s not taking what’s there and dividing it up and making it smaller.”

According to Dr. Carson’s statement above, “What made America a great nation was we had a very different attitude… That’s how we went from nowhere to the pinnacle of the world in record time,” as if to say that America once had a flat-rate tax structure. But when was that? Perhaps he’s confusing America with pre-Christian Israel, because prior to 1861, and between the years 1873 and 1912, the U.S. government was funded strictly through customs duties and tariffs levied on imported goods.

And, although a 3% flat-rate tax was proposed under the Revenue Act of 1861, as a temporary means of funding the Civil War, no revenue was ever raised under the act, and it was quickly replaced by a progressive rate structure under the Revenue Act of 1862. At no time since the Revenue Act of 1913, and at no time prior, has the U.S. ever been funded by a flat-rate income tax. So where is Dr. Carson coming from?

Okay, so if you make $10, $10,000 or $25,000 under Dr. Carson’s arrangement, you’ll pay $1, $1,000 or $2,500 in taxes. Never mind that depending on the size of your family, after your living expenses have been met, you might not have a penny left wherewith to pay it. Yet this he fathoms as fair. And, according to Dr. Carson, his program is great if you make $10 billion a year, but that’s primarily because you’ll see a 49% reduction in your effective tax rate, from where it is today. But for those less fortunate, including the entire middle class, Carson’s theory will result in a massive tax hike.

Under Dr. Carson’s 10% Deal, individuals within the lowest, second, middle and fourth quintiles, that currently pay average effective individual tax rates of -7.5%, -1.3%, 2.4% and 5.8%, respectively, will see their tax rates rise by at least 72%, and by as much as 233%. Increasing the rate to 15% only compounds the problem. What’s wrong with this picture? Well, for one, the only growth it produces is among the uber-wealthy. In fact, it appears to be just another means of benefiting “only a few at the direct expense of the many” – a direct contradiction to his stated goal.

So let me get this straight. Under Dr. Carson’s tax program, those in the highest quintile, including billionaires, who currently pay an average effective tax rate of 14.2%, will receive a 30% to 49% tax cut, while those in the lower quintiles receive a 72% to 233% tax hike. And how is this supposed to help the economy? More importantly, how does it help you and me? Well, it doesn’t. What Dr. Carson’s strategy actually does is make the rich richer and the poor soul down to his last $10 a dollar poorer.

Carson mentions nothing about corporate tax reform, disincentivizing corporate inversions, balancing trade, growing the economy, or expanding the workforce. He claims his proposal will be revenue neutral, which is at best a farce, but even if it somehow were – why would anyone care? Dr. Carson’s approach ransacks the middle class, plunders the working poor, and only profits the wealthiest among us. It’s a strategy unworthy of consideration by serious-minded conservative voters, as in my opinion is the entire Carson candidacy. Phooey!

Donald Trump’s Tax Plan

Here’s an excerpt from Donald Trump’s Tax Plan which may be found on his official website :


The Goals of Donald J. Trump’s Tax Plan

Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan directly meets these challenges with four simple goals:

  1. Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.

  2. Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.

  3. Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.

  4. Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

  1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.

  2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.

  3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.

  4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

Again, this is only an excerpt; you may read the rest of Trump’s detailed tax plan on his website: Trump – Make America Great Again!

Under the Trump Plan, those in the lowest quintile, and most in the second and third quintiles (depending on marital status) won’t pay any income taxes at all. This is brilliant, considering that as a whole it’s estimated that those making less than $50,000 currently receive back roughly $37 billion more from the government, each year, than they pay in (see table below). This is due to a series of redundant, and costly tax expenditures. Removing upwards of 75 million households from filing requirements actually amounts to savings of no less than $370 billion, in government speak.

When it comes to simplifying the tax code, eliminating the filing requirements of some 75 million households turns out to be a big money saver. It will directly reduce the processing and subsequent examination, by the Internal Revenue Service, of around half of all tax returns currently filed. Since most individuals under this threshold only file to receive refundable tax credits, or to determine that they don’t owe any taxes at all, and around 37% of all individual returns audited involve the Earned Income Credit, once Trump’s plan is implemented the size of the IRS may be reduced dramatically.

Under Trump’s plan, if you are single, the first $25,000 you earn won’t be taxable, and if you are married, the first $50,000 you earn will be exempt from taxes (see table below). This will amount to a huge tax cut for the many, at the expense of a few. Compared to Dr. Carson’s idea, where the government would get up to $2,500 or $5,000 from the same, Trump’s plan is a huge windfall for the working poor and middle class. Are you for lower taxes? Will this help you?

Trump’s plan lowers the top marginal tax rate to 25%, or to the same level imposed from 1925 to 1931 under the 1924 Mellon Tax Bill. So this is not a shot in the dark, but rather a return to policies the U.S. had in place during the Roaring Twenties, back when the country truly was great. Compared to the present tax code, Trump’s plan will reduce income taxes for a married couple making $85,000 per year from around $8,800 to just $1,500 (assuming taxable income of $65,000). Does this appeal to you? Is there some part of this plan that you don’t comprehend?

According to Trump, the huge reduction in rates will make many of the current exemptions and deductions unnecessary or redundant. “Those within the 10% bracket will keep all or most of their current deductions. Those within the 20% bracket will keep more than half of their current deductions. Those within the 25% bracket will keep fewer deductions. Charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions will remain unchanged for all taxpayers.”

Trump’s tax plan also reduces corporate taxes from a top rate of 39% to just 15%, making the U.S. one of the most attractive places to do business worldwide. But then he goes a step further, by applying the same 15% cap to income earned by freelancers, sole proprietors, unincorporated small businesses and pass-through entities (i.e. partnerships and s-corporations), which are all taxed at the individual level. According to Trump, these lower rates will provide a tremendous stimulus for the economy, as in significant GDP growth, a huge number of new jobs and an increase in after-tax wages for workers.

Finally, Mr. Trump’s plan eliminates the death tax, reduces or eliminates deductions and loopholes available to the uber-wealthy, phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-earners, ends the current treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships, adds a one-time repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a discounted 10% tax rate, ends the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad, and reduces or eliminates corporate loopholes that cater to special interests.

Coupled with his well aired balanced trade initiative, which seeks to eliminate our ongoing trade deficits with China, Mexico, Japan and other nations, every true Conservative is forced to concede that Donald Trump has a viable solidly conservative plan for this economy, and is indeed a serious candidate. Like him or not, when you lay Donald Trump’s tax reduction plan next to Ben Carson’s tax the poor philosophy, it’s clear that only one has a workable plan. Dr. Ben Carson may be a nice man, but it’s time to admit that there isn’t any substance behind his shallow rhetoric. It’s time for Conservatives to stop focusing on personalities, and start taking Donald Trump and his policies seriously.

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2016election; amnesty; bencarson; blogpimp; carson; cino; economy; election2016; fakeconservative; larrywalkerii; newyork; taxes; trump

1 posted on 10/21/2015 1:27:16 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative
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To: NaturalBornConservative

Just who in the world is supporting Dr. Carson? Is it all the church ladies, as some contend, who don’t look any further than someone who makes a Christiana claim, and yet, these same evangelicals don’t bother to dig deeper into what Dr. Carson’s beliefs really are. Just because he is an “outsider” doesn’t mean he has a clue on how to handle the presidency. Separating Siamese twins, or doing brain surgery doesn’t qualify one to be president.

2 posted on 10/21/2015 1:57:55 PM PDT by Catsrus ( I callz 'em as I seez 'em.)
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To: NaturalBornConservative
Dr. Ben Carson may be a nice man, but it’s time to admit that there isn’t any substance behind his shallow rhetoric.

Agreed. The reasons for supporting Carson seem to be, a. he's black, and b. he's Christian.

3 posted on 10/21/2015 1:59:58 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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To: NaturalBornConservative

Ben Carson has no experience at business or politics. He’s never been in charge of thousands of people. Nor has he ever really written or thought much about politics until he denounced Obama at that prayer breakfast.

His candidacy is a flash in the pan. He’s a nice guy but he’s this cycle’s Huckabee, i.e. someone who can never win but is liked by the blue hairs. Unlike Huck though, Carson actually is a good person instead of pretending to be one.

4 posted on 10/21/2015 2:13:07 PM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: GulliverSwift

Well said.

5 posted on 10/21/2015 2:19:19 PM PDT by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: NaturalBornConservative; All
Supporters of constitutionally low-information candidates Trump and Carson need to get them up to speed on Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes, to be explained shortly.

But let’s first consider that the largely wealthy delegates to the first Constitutional Convention actually put their money where their mouths were with respect to the Constitution that they had drafted. They did so by committing themselves and their rich friends to uniquely paying for the federal government to operate.

The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied [emphasis added]. … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.” —Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

H O W E V E R …

What protected the rich from high federal taxes in the early days of the Republic was the knowledge, evidently forgotten generations ago, of the following Supreme Court clarification. The Court had clarified that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state power issues, basically any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

In fact, here’s a rough approximation of how much taxpayers should be paying Congress annually to perform its Section 8-limited duties.

Given that the plurality of clauses in Congress’s Section 8-limited powers deal with defense, and given that the Department of Defense budget for 2015 was $500+ billion, I will generously round up the $500+ billion figure to $1 trillion (but probably much less) as the annual price tag of the federal government to the taxpayers.

In other words, the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx News, shouldn’t be reporting multi-trillion annual federal budgets without mentioning the Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to lay taxes in budget discussions.

The reason that we now have an unconstitutionally big, tax-hungry federal government on our backs is this imo. When the Founding States established the federal Senate, they gave control of the Senate uniquely to state lawmakers. Part of the reason for having state legislatures control the Senate was so that senators could protect their states by killing House appropriations bills which could not be justified under Congress’s Section 8-limited powers, such bills essentially stealing state revenues.

The problem is that the Progressive Movement spooked low-information citizens to pressure state lawmakers to ratify the ill-conceived 17th Amendment (17A). And state lawmakers caved in and ratified 17A, foolishly giving up the voices of the state legislatures in Congress.

So now, after voters elect their federal senators, they go home and watch football while corrupt senators rob their wallets. Senators do this by working in cahoots with the corrupt House to pass unconstitutional appropriations bills, bills which Congress cannot justify under its Section 8-limited powers.

As a side note to this discussion, please consider the following. If it wasn’t for 17A, state lawmakers might have built up a 2/3 conservative majority in the Senate by now. This means that Congress could have possibly impeached and booted lawless Obama from the Oval Office by now, along with activist justices.

Getting back to "balancing the federal budget,” the first step is to make 17A disappear imo, corrupt senators disappearing along with it. The Constitution should also be amended with Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes.

6 posted on 10/21/2015 2:42:59 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

There are likely more low-information voters now than ever before. Making Senators and Constitutional Amendments disappear, and passing new Constitutional Amendments are impractical in this day and age. The change you seek must come from within.

7 posted on 10/21/2015 3:07:21 PM PDT by NaturalBornConservative ("Something that everyone knows isn't worth knowing" ~ Bernard Baruch)
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To: NaturalBornConservative; All
There are likely more low-information voters now than ever before. Making Senators and Constitutional Amendments disappear, and passing new Constitutional Amendments are impractical in this day and age.

I’m guilty as charged with respect to having a positive attitude.

8 posted on 10/21/2015 3:19:08 PM PDT by Amendment10
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