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What Do College Undergrads Spend Their Student Loans On: High-School Classes
Zero Hedge ^ | 11/19/2014 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 11/19/2014 7:55:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Over the weekend we closed the chapter on the "mystery" of America's collapsing labor force and the record 90+ million Americans out of the labor force. As Pew reported, confirming what we had said all along, it has little to nothing to do with Boomers retiring - simply because under ZIRP they can't afford to retire - and everything to do with Millennials staying in school because they can't find the well-paying jobs they had expected, raking up $1.2 trillion (and exponentially rising) in government-funded student debt in the process. To wit:

More and more Americans are outside the labor force entirely. Who are they? According to the October jobs report, more than 92 million Americans — 37% of the civilian population aged 16 and over — are neither employed nor unemployed, but fall in the category of “not in the labor force.” That means they aren’t working now but haven’t looked for work recently enough to be counted as unemployed. While that’s not quite a record — figures have been a bit higher earlier this year — the share of folks not in the labor force remains near all-time highs.

 

You might think legions of retiring Baby Boomers are to blame, or perhaps the swelling ranks of laid-off workers who’ve grown discouraged about their re-employment prospects. While both of those groups doubtless are important (though just how important is debated by labor economists), our analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data suggests another key factor: Teens and young adults aren’t as interested in entering the work force as they used to be, a trend that predates the Great Recession.

 

But that's just the beginning. Because as we have also covered on various occasions in the past, there is a just as important question of just what these "students" spend their money on. Among the items revealed: "A U.S. Middle District Court indictment alleges that Price spent much of the loan money on crack cocaine, cars, motorcycles, jewelry, tattoos and video games." And iPhones of course, because someone has to indirectly provide US subsidies to the NSA's favorite company (read "NSA Mocks Apple's "Zombie" Customers; Asks "Your Target Is Using A BlackBerry? Now What?").

Now we know one more thing that America's young adults, of whom some 24% expect that their debt will ultimately be forgiven, are blowing Uncle Sam's debt on. The answer: high-school level classes.

According to the WSJ, "college students are increasingly spending federal financial aid and taking on debt for high school-level courses that don’t count toward a degree, despite mounting evidence the courses are ineffective and may contribute to higher dropout rates."

Shocking? Well not really: after all when student debt is easier to procure than subprime loans in 2005, and when nobody in government actually checks if it is used prudently, is there any wonder the same individuals who recklessly will spend money they can never repay on anything but their future, will spend it on the dumbest possible things? Perhaps it is more surprising that they used it for "noble" purposes in the first place.

The number of college students taking at least one remedial course rose to 2.7 million in the 2011-2012 academic year from 1.04 million in 1999-2000, federal data show. During the same span, the amount of federal grants spent by undergraduates enrolled in at least one remedial course rose 380%, after inflation, Education Department figures show. There was also a drastic rise in remedial students taking on student debt.

The one social class most "enslaved" by this "not quite free" debt handout? Poor, underprivileged students of course, those who can least afford to graduate with tens of thousands in debt.

The trends reflect a sharp rise over the past decade in enrollment at community colleges, which disproportionately serve low-income, minority and older populations. About 40% of students entering community colleges enroll in at least one remedial course, according to the Education Department; only about 1 in 4 of them will earn a degree or certificate.

 

“You clearly see that a big part of the problem is that students of color, first-generation students in low socioeconomic status are getting stuck” in remedial courses, said Eloy Oakley, president of Long Beach City College in Southern California. “They’re getting placed in these courses and they’re not coming out.”

 

Students are typically placed in remedial courses for English and math and because they score poorly on standardized tests. Federal law permits them to spend financial aid on as much as a year’s worth of remediation.

Ironically, the very classes this debt is spent to finance essentially assure that the student will never even succeed in graduating college:

Academics and senior officials within the Education Department increasingly view the remedial courses themselves as a major barrier to college completion, particularly among minorities. Many students become discouraged and could succeed without remediation, while others could benefit from shorter, more-targeted catch-up sessions, research shows.

 

Multiple studies have concluded that, for most students, remediation either hurts or has no effect on their odds of earning a college degree or certificate. The studies have compared the outcomes of borderline students—those just above and just below the cutoff for getting into college-level courses. In a 2012 National Bureau of Economic Research paper, two Columbia University researchers found that students who appeared to have been misplaced in remediation were 8% more likely to drop out than those who went directly into college courses.

As a result, some schools have finally started analyzing what the IRR of remedial schooling is: Long Beach City College is experimenting with how it assesses students and places them in remedial classes. Before 2012, it placed all students based on how they scored on a standardized test. Since then, the school has launched a program to place students from local high schools based on their grade-point averages, which officials believe are a better predictor of how students will perform in college-level courses.

Within the program, the share of first-year students at LBCC going directly into college-level coursework has tripled, to 39% for English and 32% for math. And the school finds that on average, students who would have been slated for remediation are performing as well as others.

 

 

Leangkheng Ouk, 20 years old, was slated to take remedial English and math at the school because she performed poorly on her standardized test, despite being a B student in high school. Under the new system, she went directly into college-level courses in 2012 and earned a 3.8 GPA before transferring this year. She now attends California State University, Long Beach, where she is on track to earn a bachelor’s degree in business management.

 

“I was glad they placed me in the higher courses actually on my level, so I don’t waste time and can be able to transfer in two years,” said Ms. Ouk, a Cambodian national and U.S. permanent resident who is the first member of her family to go to college. Ms. Ouk has used scholarship money, federal aid and wages earned from a part-time job to cover her education. “If I was placed in a remedial class I would have to stay in LBCC longer. I would have used my financial aid grants.

And now, after years of delays and long after the student loan bubble reached unprecedented proportions, the Government is finally deciding to "take a look":

Now, the high dropout rate among remedial-education students—along with a sharp rise in student debt—is fueling debate about whether the government should be more stringent in awarding student aid. Critics—ranging from some think-tank academics and conservatives to a trustee of a community-college system in Texas—say aid should be targeted toward students who are better-prepared.

Keep in mind this is the same government that lied to "stupid" Americans to pass Obamacare. Then again, considering what these same Americans spend their unsecured, garnishable debt on, perhaps Dr. Gruber's real and only crime was getting caught.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: college; highschool; remedialclasses; studentloans
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1 posted on 11/19/2014 7:55:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The students, grad or undergrad, in my courses aren’t taking HS level courses. They work for their grades, they are challenged, and those who don’t like it are invited to withdraw and take up another major, like basket weaving.

Yeah, some of my colleagues are lazy and push out courses with a prominent “easy button”, but not me. Under the “academic freedom” meme I can metaphorically beat them like rented mules.

Most come out of the courses happy that it was challenging and not a gimme grade.


2 posted on 11/19/2014 8:02:06 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind

I noticed around 2012, as I was living in Arlington, VA....that the five-star local high school was being notified by several local university operations that their students were arriving and unable to function with regular math or science classes. This drove some massive meeting where parents jumped all over the school director about how this was possible. It makes me wonder what exactly high schools are teaching that last year or two....and if it’s more of a kid-sitting operation than actual educational services.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 8:02:33 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

That tells you just how much of a failure public education IS


4 posted on 11/19/2014 8:05:28 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wasted my youth on wine, women and song. Today’s youth are busy learning how to diagram a sentence and figure out how many BBs will fit into a basketball.
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Pass the bottle baby! It’s the second verse of HARRY REID SAT ON A PICKLE!

(participating in the shameful pursuits of blueunicorn6 does not guarantee similar results)


5 posted on 11/19/2014 8:12:59 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

Pokemon ?


6 posted on 11/19/2014 8:18:06 AM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: RJS1950

Don’t blame the students. Liberals have taken over the education system and made it into a money making/ safe haven for the own kind. Look at who they hire now a days to be teachers and professors.

When I went to school, I noticed how some students took to book learning while others learn better using their hands. The schools back then were barely able to teach the different types of students. Today, it’s a complete dumbing down of the students. That Common Core is a complete joke. I hear parents complain that their all “A” student are failing the collage entrance exams.

I also think it’s a complete joke for middle age adults to have to go back to college to get a degree just to advance in a company, when they’ve been working in a certain industry for over twenty years. I see these adults rush over to those money grabbing, drive through universities which teaches you as much info as the back of a stick of gum, spend thousands of dollars just to see if they can advance in their career. People should be able to be tested, or enter an apprentice program to advance and take out these money grabbing, phony universities that only teach what you should have learned in high school.


7 posted on 11/19/2014 8:36:57 AM PST by dragonblustar (Jesus is Lord and Savior!! John 14:6)
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To: SeekAndFind
LOL, the standardized tests say they need remedial high school work, but they have high GPAs. Who do you believe?

On the other hand, they seem to get good grades in "college". Can you say "Grade Inflation" kids?


8 posted on 11/19/2014 8:40:21 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: RightGeek

I remember expressing to the great gasping astonished shock and horror of a gathering of public school teachers:

“college really isn’t for everyone”

It isn’t. Some people would be far happier and more successful foregoing “higher education” and doing something they enjoy and are good at.


9 posted on 11/19/2014 8:44:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: RJS1950; SeekAndFind; dragonblustar
Elizabeth Warren is basing her 2016 campaign on the cost of student loans. The first thing I thought of is how much difference lowering the interest rate a point would really matter - except that the rhetoric is an opportunity to "Gruber" young voters.

However I can't help but wonder where the huge increase in loans came from in the first place. The only people I knew in college who weren't working part time or full time jobs were kids from wealthy families - mostly girls who lived in dorms. Do people not work their way through school any more?

It seems to me that taking if taking an extra year to get a degree is necessary, it would be preferable to being saddled with "A lifetime of debt", as Warren says.

10 posted on 11/19/2014 8:48:54 AM PST by Baynative (Did you ever notice that atheists don't dare sue Muslims?)
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To: dragonblustar

I don’t blame the students, but that doesn’t mean that they get any kind of break on the knowledge they have to acquire to pass a course. If they are not up to par coming in then it is up to them to re-mediate the failings of their former education system. I’m not here to bring them up to speed on the basics of reading, writing, arithmetic, and critical thinking.

Yeah, there are some drive through schools, but that is not the norm. The old European concept of testing and slotting students to place them into a fixed path career is crap. Some people don’t test well, some don’t develop their abilities to learn and perform until later in life. It is the companies who push this crap of forcing additional education just to advance. Not that additional education is bad but it is not the answer to everything.

In a technical field, additional education, even for those who have been in the field for years is almost an imperative to stay current on the technologies they work with. Apprenticeships are done at the beginning of a career and having experienced these things myself I can firmly say that in-house vendor training is never really up to par or adequate. These phony universities are detrimental to the majority of real institutions, excluding the Ivy League schools which are generally as phony as the small for profits. Many of the small to medium sized schools are on the receiving end of the students who have cast their lots with the drive throughs and now find that they were short changed.

Right now, if you don’t consider advancing your education in your field in some way, you will find yourself on the street when your company replaces you with an H1B who has gone through that educational process.

Like any other decision, choosing an educational path is incumbent on the consumer (student). The quick and easy path is usually not the one you want to spend your money on. Nobody is forcing anyone to attend one of those schools, it is a personal choice so make it a good and reasoned one.


11 posted on 11/19/2014 8:57:36 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SMARTY

Indeed Leno’s J walking and Waters world prove it.


12 posted on 11/19/2014 8:59:34 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Baynative

Yes, there are plenty of students these days who are working adults with jobs, families, and other responsibilities. Many of my students fall into that category. Many are adults who have lost their jobs and need to find another path while working part time. Their competition are the international students who come here with previous higher education from their home countries and who add a degree from an American University with the expectation that they might be hired full time as a resident alien or H1B, over the American students with the same or better resumes.

One other thing is that there are still many companies who sponsor the education bill either in part or in full for their employees. The problem here is that they have to complete the degree in the shortest possible time with no additional courses or time being allotted.


13 posted on 11/19/2014 9:05:08 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not shocking at all. When I started college in 1991 (after a 12 year hiatus from education), the remedial math and English courses were the most offered classes. Often these classes were the make or break classes for kids attending college.


14 posted on 11/19/2014 9:06:49 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: RJS1950
Yeah, there are some drive through schools, but that is not the norm. The old European concept of testing and slotting students to place them into a fixed path career is crap.

Agreed. Locking in someone else's future based on one or two test scores reduces freedom.

Right now, if you don’t consider advancing your education in your field in some way, you will find yourself on the street when your company replaces you with an H1B who has gone through that educational process.

Training is not the issue in that case, being a free citizen is the issue. The H1-b is more than likely worse than you and is there by fraud. One can train themselves to the absolute best possible, and still be denied the job - since they wanted someone that could be controlled.

When one hears of a "skills gap" or "shortage" with the answer of guest workers, the person really means to say they can't find people desperate enough or controllable enough to stay.

15 posted on 11/19/2014 9:22:36 AM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: RJS1950
Right now, if you don’t consider advancing your education in your field in some way, you will find yourself on the street when your company replaces you with an H1B who has gone through that educational process.

That's fine, I don't see the problem in taking a course that is specific towards your field. The real problem is having to take a four year course, which over two years of that is having to take basic classes that are at high school level, then maybe be few good classes that teach on the subject you need. ( That's if you have a good teacher! )

Like any other decision, choosing an educational path is incumbent on the consumer (student). The quick and easy path is usually not the one you want to spend your money on. Nobody is forcing anyone to attend one of those schools, it is a personal choice so make it a good and reasoned one.

It is a forced system if you want to advance. These classes, even now on the state run universities are way over priced, and little is being taught. My husband, who came from the UK, spent nearly $30,000 at one of these schools and end up teaching most of the classes because the teachers they brought in didn't know what they were talking about.

16 posted on 11/19/2014 9:42:58 AM PST by dragonblustar (Jesus is Lord and Savior!! John 14:6)
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To: setha
When one hears of a "skills gap" or "shortage" with the answer of guest workers, the person really means to say they can't find people desperate enough or controllable enough to stay.

It isn't a matter of desperate or controllable, it is that no matter how experienced, educated, and skilled the american worker is the employers large and small will lay off the American and/or hire the guest worker because it is to their benefit financially. The "skills gap" is a farce and H1Bs should be eliminated entirely for the same reasons that illegals and their anchors should be run out of the country as quickly as possible. Along with that, the tax laws, excessive regulations, along with the EPA, etc should be done away with.

17 posted on 11/19/2014 9:49:11 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RightGeek

LMAO!


18 posted on 11/19/2014 10:15:50 AM PST by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: molson209

<< Pokemon ? >>

Is that a Jamaican word for Proctologist?


19 posted on 11/19/2014 10:17:35 AM PST by Klaatu Barada Nikto (Liberty is not a Loophole)
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To: RightGeek

20 posted on 11/19/2014 10:18:53 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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