Posted on 08/14/2013 5:18:31 PM PDT by servo1969
Not at all; if one follows the Scripture and omits his own "views", he has a perfect body of knowledge for doctrine, reproof, instruction in righteousness, etc. Scripture is never wrong, but man is more wrong than right.
I’ve watched Osteen a few times and he always reminds me of the type of guy who constantly plays it safe so no one will be offended at him and put him in danger of losing that fabulous gig.
you pegged the same two that give me the heebee jeebees.
hagey and meyers i still listen to.
they say believers are given the gift of discernment.
i see joel and rick as false prophets. both hint at wiggle room to get to heaven.
Tell me -- of the Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Congregationalists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, and Copts ... how did they have such a much harder time figuring out correct doctrine? You seem to have it all nailed down pretty firmly ...
That is a great idea. A good place to meet women. :)
I have only been to one of her events. I am not a big event goer. I don’t buy the books, or CDs or any of that stuff, myself.
I was given a CD of Joyce’s, on leadership, and I did pop in in on a 18 hour drive. I was VERY thankful for the fellowship of that message at that time.
Still nuthin, but nuthin is as good as sitting with my own personal Bible and reading the straight word and letting myself be transformed by the renewal of my mind, right?
:)
Souls are at stake - if you don’t have the Gospel right, you don’t have salvation - n’est ce pas?
As Christians, we need to be more concerned with populating Heaven than populating our bank accounts.
John Hagee is nothing like the ones you mention, who indeed should be avoided at all costs. What’s your beef with Pastor Hagee?
agreed.
I was watching this code orange revival last year, which was very entertaining. There were some weird politics that unfolded, and some very charismatic personalities. ( I don’t watch any TV ) anyway- I heard this guy speak and I enjoyed him. He gave me some food for thought, esp when he talked about how Paul evangelized people.
I loved some things that he said, and I disagreed with his idea that people should not identify themselves with people in the Bible. I do think that I am not a sinner saved by grace, but a saint who sins. That is a HUGE difference between the two. Anyway- I might look Matt Chandler up sometime, and try to attend a service with him. I like something about him.
I am really a kinda of an Evangelical- Messianic - Baptist follower, so my theology is off a beaten path. If you watch, I hope you enjoy and doesn’t send off discernment bells.
Matt Chandler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blzft8u6-ME
I don’t know anything about Joel Osteen or Joyce Meyer other than that they seem to be on EVERY CHANNEL that isn’t doing an infomercial early in the morning.
That being said, I wonder if either of them either knows or cares what Reverend (I assume) Henderson thinks.
totally agree
I’m not sure that anyone is 100% correct in what they teach. If they teach and preach that one must be born again to become a Christian, then they at least get that right. The Bible says that by their fruits you shall know them. I don’t follow any teacher, preacher, evangelist, etc, but search out the Scriptures as Paul instructed to see if those things they preach are true, and then I pray about something that I don’t think is quite right.
Jesus said the Holy Spirit is our teacher and will lead us into all truth. I don’t necessarily categorize Joyce Meyer or Joel Osteen as false teachers, however, that doesn’t mean that they won’t get a few things wrong in their teachings. I also believe that both are sincere in what they are doing, and if we believe they are teaching something that isn’t Biblical, shouldn’t we pray that the Lord will open their eyes to it, rather than condemn them as being false teachers?
The person I have the biggest problem with is Rod Parsley. His broadcasts aren’t sermons - they’re infomercials. According to Parsley, God wants to bless me, but can’t do it until I send in a $ 300.00 “Seed Gift”, and the check clears.
The only tv preacher whom I have total confidence in their wisdom and mission is Dr. Charles Stanley on In Touch. That’s not to say he never gets anything wrong - none of us are perfect - but I have watched or listened to many a sermon of his over the years and could never point to something he said that’s not backed up by Scripture. With most, it doesn’t take long before I hear some questionable doctrine.
Further, any preacher who spends most of their time talking about themselves or praising man is not to be trusted. Pulpit sermons should be about our relationship with Holy, Almighty God. That’s an inexhaustible topic right there and keeps the focus right where it belongs.
I think this guy brings up some good points - the main one not literally quoted “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1
To me, Joel gives an excuse for not preaching the Gospel, because the lesser good of making people feel better about themselves is more important to him than warning people that a false right-standing with God through ‘feeling good’ will have eternal consequences.
As far as Joyce Meyers - I grew up in the late 70’s/early 80’s with the “Name It/Claim It” crowd pulling away close friends and infiltrating strong biblically doctrinal churches. It got me so filled with righteous indignation and I spent most of my time debating, interceding in prayer or letting friends go the way of a tickled ear. She was one of the main pushers of this. Not until years later did God deal with my self-righteous attitude with her. I saw some things changed in her what I originally perceived as extreme arrogance. I do believe God has touched her in certain ways in her life, but I also know that many can be used by God and still be corrupt vessels (heh - me included).
I have no problem whatsoever in believing 100% of the Bible, old and new testaments, including the Book of Acts where broken men were changed by the power of the Holy Spirit to do mighty works - ALWAYS GIVING GOD THE GLORY. But I still burn with anger towards those who Paul was referring to when he said “...who preach the Gospel, whether for selfish gain or not, the Gospel is still preached”. They deceive many into treating God like whiffle-dust or Santa Claus or a genie.
Sure, I long to have the faith to tell the seas to be still, or like Elijah, call up rain after 3 years of drought, or praying for a little girl and see her raised from the dead (or even sicking a lion on some yutes who call me baldy (2 Kings 2:22-24)). But all of these are for God’s glory. That’s why James so well puts it: “3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.”
I had no idea about what he quotes about Joyce Meyers saying. If truthfully quoted, indeed it is not biblical. Indeed, I am responsible to speak the truth, admonish fellow Christians that the way of the Cross is not Me-first, and pray for those like Joyce and Joel to repent of false doctrines.
Yet we serve the Creator of the Universe with whom ALL things are possible. And I believe that with all my heart!
Religion - Should it be a journey or a destination or both or what???? I was raised in the Episocopal church in the 60’s. My confirmation lessons were conducted by the rector, who told us that we should believe in God whether we wanted to or not “just in case there really was a God” - No surprise now with the gay Bishop and lesbian “priestesses” that infiltrated the Episcopal church.
Skipped church throughout college, and then I met a young Jewish man my last year of school. Long story short, I decided to convert to Judaism (this was the 60s) — the Conservative rabbi wouldn’t touch me with a 10’ pole, so had to go the Reform route. Pretty sure that Rabbi didn’t believe in God either, but he was a very nice man and he had me read “The Source” by Michener to get a sense of the Jewish history/struggle.
Several years later, in the mid-1990s I started watching Joyce Meyer on tv (no longer married at that point). I was very impressed because she made me want to be a better person, and she talked a lot about Jesus as her savior. I didn’t know any better, and I was in a deep spiritual abyss. I give her credit for bringing me to Christ, but agree that over the years her success has warped her Gospel message.
Now I watch a very good show called “Wretched” with Todd Friel - his mission is to expose the bad preaching and to give practical lessons on evangelizing as well as current events that affect Christians. He has gone after a lot of the charlatans, but haven’t heard him say anything about Joyce Meyers (may have missed that episode).
They are both heretics and I’m glad to see them spoken as such. I know plenty of people who have struggled under the ministry of both these people and they continue to struggle because they can’t quite believe that what they want to hear is not truth. These are black days enough, just in the physical world—with the state our country and world are in-—and we best NOT be listening to those who are struggling with the truth themselves. We need sound doctrine. The spiritual battle is the real struggle we are in and the kingdom is still before us. We are not living in it yet. The health & wealth doctrines are a legalistic system in themselves. You only need to listen to the teachers of it to understand that if you don’t get what they have that the problem is your faith, not their message. That’s partly true because you are putting your faith into a false teaching instead of God’s Word and His Son.
I am sure what to say about religion, because I have never really had a religion. I have started to explore the traditions and festivals of the Bible. Some might call that a religion. I don’t know.
Faith is a journey and Heaven is a destination.
And I simply haven’t had that sort of reaction to Joyce Meyer. I don’t know what see it claim it, is all about.
I think she is Pentecostal, and many people are confused by their theology and embracing of the Holy Spirit. The speaking in tongues is unique and scares people. I really think that is more of what people are reacting to, personally.
I am simply not offended by Joyce Meyer.
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