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Why I Called Out Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer
ChurchisMessy.com ^ | 8-5-2013 | Rick Henderson

Posted on 08/14/2013 5:18:31 PM PDT by servo1969

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1 posted on 08/14/2013 5:18:31 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

I like Joyce Meyer, which is a surprise even to me. I had refused to listen to her for years. I think she has a powerful testimony and just remarkable faith, and I enjoy hearing about her experiences.

She is the only preacher who I have a recording of, or would go to see at an event.

I don’t think she is perfect, and I don’t idolize her, but I do enjoy her lessons from time, to time when I need to fill some time.


2 posted on 08/14/2013 5:23:42 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: onedoug

ping


3 posted on 08/14/2013 5:26:46 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: servo1969

Agreed.


4 posted on 08/14/2013 5:27:22 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: servo1969

Applause!!!!!


5 posted on 08/14/2013 5:33:41 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("The atmosphere's too cold in here to attract a butterfly like that." Al Stewart)
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To: servo1969
Still in seminary, my wife and I were walking through our dream neighborhood and that was playing through my mind. As I walked through the neighborhood, looking at all the homes, I wanted so badly for what Joel is teaching to be true. But I knew that it wasn’t true. I knew that my exhaustion and desperation made me emotionally vulnerable to this false Gospel.

Here is Rick Henderson's problem. He didn't have the "faith that could move mountains," so he says that it doesn't exist. That is not Biblical.
6 posted on 08/14/2013 5:34:18 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: servo1969
Theology is a tricky business. I'm not sure anyone gets it exactly right every time. By it's nature, it is more than a human brain can really comprehend.

That being said, if someone teaches truly bad doctrine, then they are hurting people. But if someone is just saying it slightly "off", I'm not sure it's the end of the world.

So many Christian denominations. So many variations in the faith. I suppose one has to make up their own mind as to whether or not Joyce Meyer is all that bad. Personally, I think the charge is heavy-handed.

7 posted on 08/14/2013 5:37:40 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: servo1969

I am not familiar with them, except seeing them briefly before changing channels.

Do they teach who the Kenites are?


8 posted on 08/14/2013 5:39:41 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: servo1969

Good post.


9 posted on 08/14/2013 5:41:29 PM PDT by gotribe (Vladimir Putin is MY President)
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To: servo1969

I wonder what he thinks of John Hagee.


10 posted on 08/14/2013 5:46:33 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: servo1969

Ah, preacher-rumble.

This will be fun to watch, and absolutely no minds will be changed, and they all lose Jesus points for having logs in their eyes.


11 posted on 08/14/2013 5:48:14 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Truth2012

i turned on joel for good when he had the opportunity to declare that the only way to heaven is thru Jesus Christ but no... he danced around the answer. i think it was on the joy beher show. ( the view lady who just quit).
now as for joyce i didnt see her in this light. i like her message.
i will pay more attention in the future. we will see.


12 posted on 08/14/2013 5:53:38 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: SubMareener

nope. these people teach it’s your fault if you don’t believe hard enough. and the proof is you don’t have that big house that you claimed. you didn’t want it enough.
it’s never joel’s fault or joyce’s fault for false name it and claim it theology.

see this way they can never be blamed for anything. if you aren’t healed it’s your fault. you just didn’t believe enough.


13 posted on 08/14/2013 5:54:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SubMareener

and, at least rick went to seminary and has 4-6 years of formal study as a basis of knowledge of the ot, nt, and ancient languages and the writings of various great fathers of different aspects of the orthodox faith.


14 posted on 08/14/2013 5:57:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Truth2012

I went with my daughter and son-in-law to a Joyce Meyer meeting, as she calls it, in Long Beach some 7-8 years ago. I got a strong sense of conservatism from her and husband Dave, who preached a little. But it was clear that the real talent was hers.

And there sure were a lot of lone women about. It seemed that a Christian guy who might be looking for a likeminded soul mate could find her there.

Joel Osteen...smiles all the time and doesn’t understand scripture at all.

Best....


15 posted on 08/14/2013 6:03:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Donnafrflorida

I have never like Joel’s message. Also just looking at him makes my discernment bell go off. He and Rick Warren kinda freak me out.


16 posted on 08/14/2013 6:04:02 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: servo1969

I don’t know where this guy is getting this name it and claim it theology with regard to Meyer. I have never, and I mean that word, heard that teaching from her.
She does like her applause, and she obvious likes nice clothing. That said, in all the years I listened to her I do not recall a single time she even preached on faith healing. Not once.


17 posted on 08/14/2013 6:06:59 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: servo1969
Joel teaches that Mormons are Christians.

Every disciple either was martyred or suffered for their faith. They did not live in luxury, but was sent out with only the clothes on their back.

18 posted on 08/14/2013 6:07:07 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Vermont Lt

“Ah, preacher-rumble.

This will be fun to watch, and absolutely no minds will be changed, and they all lose Jesus points for having logs in their eyes.”

Spot on, Vermont.


19 posted on 08/14/2013 6:09:55 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: TheRhinelander

> I wonder what he thinks of John Hagee.

Or Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, or Benny Hinn and his hairy sidekick?


20 posted on 08/14/2013 6:13:38 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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