Team Arpaio: We Have Two 1961 Hawaiian Birth Certificates That List Negro Not African

Mike Zullo ^ | 6-20-2013

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

Sheriff Arpaio's lead investigator Mike Zullo just concluded a new interview this afternoon at 3:30pm central time and revealed that he will get Congressional movement on Obama's fraudulent documents after their summer break. He also revealed that they have in possession two Hawaiian birth certificates from 1961 that reveal that the term 'Negro' was used for black babies instead of the term 'African'.

[Jeff Winston]

Who might have been misinformed or misled, for all you and I know; you are building your case around a pencilled in number on a forgery...pardon me if I don't go into a tail-spin over it.

They claimed they had a copy of the 1961 federal Vital Statistics Instruction Manual.

Don't you think they would know if they did or didn't?

You don't go public with something like that UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE WHAT YOU'RE CLAIMING TO HAVE.

Not if you're honest and even REMOTELY competent.

And by REMOTELY competent, I mean something LESS than the level of competence of a Barney Fife.

Particularly when you have an entire TEAM of people who are supposed to be COMPETENT INVESTIGATORS.

It's not hard to verify whether what you have is what you're claiming to have.

The 1961 Vital Statistics Instruction Manual - the REAL one - has that written all over it.

It was obtained, I understand, by a FReeper, from a US government source.

What's more, at least one of the documents they presented to the public and the press as being that 1961 manual CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY STATED AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE THAT IT WAS FROM "NATALITY TAPE FILES" FOR THE "CALENDAR YEAR 1968."

No. If you're an investigator, you know DAMN WELL whether you have that 1961 Vital Statistics Instruction Manual you're claiming to have, or not.

Unless... MAYBE... if you're ABSOLUTELY, 100%, THE WORST INVESTIGATOR ON THE PLANET.

Worse than a Barney Fife. Worse than an Inspector Clouseau.

Either way isn't good. Why should anyone believe anything presented by absolute, total lying frauds?

Or - the other option - why should anyone believe anything presented by an "investigative team" that makes Inspector Clouseau look like a freaking GENIUS?

I'm afraid those are the only two options, Fred.

And personally, I don't think the second one is really an option. I just can't believe they are that freaking stupid.

[edge919]

The Seventies were a very different time. In 1961 “Negro” still had a stigma attached to it — whatever the case was later.

Sorry, but this still doesn't jibe with Stanley Armour Dunham's personal associations. He obviously wasn't worried about any stigmas since he was photographed by Barack Sr. and was good friends with Frank Marshall Davis.

[bluecat6]

Side by side. The foreground image is very similar in structure. The background is different due to the timeperiods. The Nordyke twin ‘certified copy’ was done in 1965. Before documents were scanned into high capacity optical WORM libraries, usually with 1 bit encoding (no grey scale). Any certified copy printed (cough, cough) over ‘security paper’ is from a digital library.

Note that the WH LFBC is the only known existence of a modern LFBC image that is (supposedly) printed on the cross-hatch security AND has the distinctive ‘left bend’ or ‘left shadow’. THE ONLY ONE. That shadow has no business being there if the document was scanned as 1,000s were.

It is also the only one that shows most fields centered in the boxes. Anyone who has typed on a real manual or even basic electric typewriter knows that centering fields accurately or is a pains-staking process. Very pain-staking for multiple fields in a single document. Actual images of LFBCs show tabs in use.

Again, the tell tale sign of forgery. They mixed the technologies from the 1960s with that of the 1980s.

The forgers must 20-somethings who never saw a typewriter and have no idea how a copy of a document was made in the 1960a. They certainly are not 60-somethings....

[Fred Nerks]

Right from the very beginning, I saw the born-in-Kenya story as a diversion, something like the mother-bird that runs around the nest in ever-increasing circles, pretending to have a broken wing; she screeches kenyan! kenya! Kenya! to lure away the hunter from her chicks. That's why there were so many born-in-kenya stories on the web, it stopped people asking where did he come from?

The born in Kenya mantra was useful to cement the idea in the mind that the black native who was 5'8" in height was the father of a very tall, skinny almost white indiviudual who looked nothing like him...

Who bore an uncanny resemblance to someone else, who spent more time in the Middle East from 1959 onwards than he did in the US. A man who advocated a Mau Mau for America, who planned to take the US to the United Nations - demanding reparations.

If I were looking for an overseas birth record for zero, I would be looking in Cairo...not in Kenya.

[edge919]

If it was Ann Dunham’s decision to list her husband’s race as “African” with or without his concurrence, it makes no difference.

True. If he was involved in any way, he wouldn't have identified himself as African, so there's little credibility in the alleged birth certificate. If he wasn't involved, then there is also little credibility in the authenticity of the alleged birth certificate.

There are two data points on a birth certificate that have Article II, Section 1 constitutional relevance: date of birth and place of birth.

... except that the place of birth is not relevant if the father was not a citizen of the United States.

Every Certificate of Live Birth (digitized short form abstract) issued by the state of Hawaii carries the statement: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” {Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-13b & 338-19}

Yet no such copy has ever bueen submitted as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.

Article IV/Section 1 of the US Constitution says that “Full Faith and Credit” will be given to the official public records of a state by every other state and by the federal government.

Only so far as the documents can be proved as authentic under the law.

Federal Rule of Evidence 902 states that official state records are considered to be self-authenticating evidence as exceptions to the hearsay rule and need no further authentification.

Only when such documents are actually submitted in court and to the opposing party for inspection.

Federal Rule of Evidence 1005 states that copies of public records can be used in court to prove content.

And no surprise, Obama has gone out of his way to avoid submitting any copies of public records in court.

Put it all together and there’s a sealed and signed certified birth record that is prima facie evidence which gets full faith in credit, is self-authenticating and copies of the original can be used in court to prove content.

Wrong. No sealed and signed birth certificate has ever been submitted to any court of law. The alleged documents are nothing more than hearsay under the law.

Since there has never been an official law enforcement agency or congressional investigation of Barack Obama’s birth record for forgery, fraud or document tampering, the four legal steps listed above have been (thus far) an insurmountable hurdle for challengers to the Obama presidency to overcome.

Actually, that's simply not true. Courts have made other hurdles insurmountable, such as legal standing, political doctrine question, timeliness, etc. But in a few instances, third parties chose to request letters of verification from the state of Hawaii in lieu of the birth certificates that have never been submitted in court. So much for having signed and sealed certificates. The hurdle of forgery has been avoided by Obama's adept refusal to submit any documents in court that could be inspected for authenticity. That alone speaks volumes.

[bluecat6]

Or the Dunhams were in the counter-intelligence business and assigned to keep an eye on Mr. FMD.

Never quite understood how a family what happened to be living in the same two cities where America’s most technologically advanced bombers were being built since 1945 then ended up in Hawaii during the cold war.

He was a ‘furniture salesmen’ and she was a .... (fill in the blank) and then somehow made VP the states largest bank?

Later on daughter is working for the CIA front company Ford Foundation (after living in Indonesia right after the US topples a communist leader that involved bloody massacres.)

Well connected family from Wichita....

[edge919]

Thanks for being a drama queen, Jeff. Oversized and multicolored text don’t compensate for the inadequacy of your Fogger claims. Ladysforest’s alleged manual is dated AFTER Obama was born. Let that sink in. It’s irrelevant. Let that sink in. And ONE MORE TIME, that document does NOT jibe with the 1961 Natality Report. Let that sink in.

[Fred Nerks]

You sure are spinning like a top, careful, don’t do yourself an injury. I do read a lot. I don’t remember everything, I do save a lot, but I don’t save everything...but I DO recall where that classification business first saw the light of day, and was documented.
THE DAILY PEN.

Might (I’m sure it won’t happen again) The Cold Case Posse have taken someone elses word for what was supposedly in the manual?

You are behaving as if you’ve caught a mass-murderer in the act. These people are volunteers??? are they not? My my, such passion! It’s a darn shame your outrage is so NARROW in focus. I’m sure there’s a very good, simple explanation for what happened.

There’s an awful lot of p*ss and wind in your comment. Has anyone thought to ask the Posse how, what appears to be a mistake, came about?

I’m not coming to the lynching. Not while I have a feeling that the claims they made might have been supplied to them by someone else...other than their own team

[GBA]

My comment was sarcastic and your information refuting whatever you saw in my comment is helpful for the uninitiated or the newcomers to come up to speed on whatever has been perpetrated on US.

I hope that helps to clarify.

It's been Kenya as far as I'm concerned also, but in 1961 on an official document? I simply don't know what would have been done in Hawaii or how that clerk would have done it. Color me skeptical and in need of more info, but why bother? It's a forgery.

It's also taken two American citizen parents to produce a Natural Born American citizen as far as I'm concerned as well. So, if the document is somehow true, however unlikely, then obama isn't eligible.

What's been done to the once great US is really quite remarkable and, at this point, they barely had to work at it to keep the sleeping giant sleeping.

The Gang of 8 is drawing up their articles further defining the terms of our surrender and we're so dumbed down that just a little alinsky and some fog and here we are in the second term still unable to alarm anyone about how we/they/US have been beaten.

Truly remarkable. And, for the most part, without a shot fired...so far.

[Fred Nerks]

...He obviously wasn't worried about any stigmas since he was photographed by Barack Sr. and was good friends with Frank Marshall Davis.

I want to see that photograph please. And any evidence that the kenyan and Stanley Armour Dunham knew each other, would be most welcome.

[edge919]

I’m pretty sure you’ve posted that photograph several times.

[Fred Nerks]

...Ladysforest’s alleged manual is dated AFTER Obama was born.

LOL! Did I say there is probably a simple explanation?

But getting back to friendships, other than a report by some woman named (I think) Weatherly Williams, who maintained she was with Frank when Stanley Armour brought zero for a visit, and Frank said 'is this him?' there's nothing that places the two of them together...unless of course you believe he came to dinner and held Stanley Ann's hand under the table...

In fact, throughout this entire saga, I've kept my eyes and ears open for any sign they knew each other...and the only thing I ever found was that photograph of the kenyan wearing a mass of lei - in which group Stanley Armour appears to be standing...

Only problem with that photo is, it's a ridiculous fake.

[edge919]

Unless Dunham was photoshopped into the picture, then it really doesn’t matter regarding the point I was making. The fogger claim is to explain away the listing of Barack Sr. as African because there was some stigma that the Dunhams attached to the word Negro. Barack Sr. wasn’t the only person in the photo that matches that description.

[Fred Nerks]

I didn't save the screen name of the freeper who posted these two images recently, but the question he/she asked was a good one:

If the kenyan was the same height as Stanley Armour, How long were the arms of the kenyan?

I think it's quite obvious that the central character was not much taller than the asian woman beside him - if you go by where a normal man's shoulders might be.

[Jeff Winston]

Thanks for being a drama queen, Jeff. Oversized and multicolored text don’t compensate for the inadequacy of your Fogger claims. Ladysforest’s alleged manual is dated AFTER Obama was born.

It doesn't matter.

1) THAT IS THE MANUAL THAT APPLIED FOR BIRTHS IN 1961. IT SAYS SO QUITE DIRECTLY.

LET THAT SINK IN.

2) THEY DIDN'T HAVE WHAT THEY CLEARLY CLAIMED TO HAVE, AND MADE A HUGE DEAL OVER

WHAT THEY CLAIMED TO HAVE, WHEN IT TURNED UP, COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY CONTRADICTED THEM.

THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE CLAIMED TO HAVE THE 1961 VITAL STATISTICS INSTRUCTION MANUAL WITHOUT HAVING IT WITHOUT DOING SO DELIBERATELY.

THEREFORE, THEY ARE FRAUDS.

LET THAT SINK IN.

And ONE MORE TIME, that document does NOT jibe with the 1961 Natality Report. Let that sink in.

I have no idea what you're talking about there. If you think it "doesn't jibe" with the 1961 Natality Report, produce said report and let's take a look at it.

I can tell you this: Like everything else birthers have EVER said, I've no doubt your claim is going to turn out to be BULLSH*T.

But I'm willing to take a look at it anyway. If I'm wrong about that, I will certainly admit it.

In fact, I've been willing to admit I was wrong all along, if anyone could produce any real birther evidence. As I've said before, I've never seen ANYTHING but BS.

[edge919]

1) THAT IS THE MANUAL THAT APPLIED FOR BIRTHS IN 1961. IT SAYS SO QUITE DIRECTLY

Only for births that occurred AFTER Obama was born, and that's if it's even authentic. It is still not consistent with the 1961 Natality Report.

[Jeff Winston]

Might (I’m sure it won’t happen again) The Cold Case Posse have taken someone elses word for what was supposedly in the manual?

THEY CLAIMED TO HAVE THE MANUAL IN THEIR POSSESSION.

That's an obvious lie.

You are behaving as if you’ve caught a mass-murderer in the act. These people are volunteers??? are they not?

Now you are just making excuses for them.

Which are they? Professional investigators, whose word is to be taken seriously?

Or volunteers that someone dragged off the street and put in charge of an "investigation" that required some competent, professional investigation, but didn't get it because Arpaio picked an incompetent used car guy to head his team?

In any event, it doesn't really matter which it is.

If they know what they're doing and are complete frauds, then nothing they say can be trusted a single inch.

If they are as incompetent as you seem to now be giving them credit for being ("These people are volunteers??? are they not?") then nothing they say can be trusted an inch, either.

Now, as I've said before, since they clearly claimed to have the manual IN THEIR POSSESSION, I personally don't think it's a matter of simple incompetence.

[rolling_stone]

...As I’ve said before, I’ve never seen ANYTHING but BS...

I suggest you remove your head from where all it sees is BS. Maybe with some sunshine you can then see the truth.

[Fred Nerks]

There's only one person in this saga who would have objected to being called a negro. And that person is the man from Kenya, whose father spent two years in a prison after being rounded up by the British...for probable involvement in the mau mau uprising.

UHURU! FREEDOM FROM WHITE RULE. AFRICAN FOR AFRICANS. AFRICA FOR BLACK PEOPLE!

Negro is a term associated with SLAVES. He wasn't going to tolerate being called a NEGRO! He was going to become an important man in a new government upon Independence, there's no way he would allow himself to be categorized with such a derogatory term.

[edge919]

The arm comparisons are irrelevant. If the Dunhams were worried about stigmas, then Stanley Armour Dunham shouldn’t even be in that picture at all.