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How gay rights tipped so quickly
Yahoo! News / The Week ^ | March 26, 2013 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 03/26/2013 9:03:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In some ways, today's Supreme Court arguments over California's proposition 8 were overshadowed by the decision of several Democratic senators from red or purple states to openly and active support marriage equality. Actually, even that pales in comparison to Richard Land, the key Southern Baptist political evangelist, who just said, basically, "nevermind," when it comes to the next generation of evangelicals being uncomfortable about gay rights. (To be sure, he still opposes gay rights, still thinks that gay marriage will lead to polygamy, and believes that anti-gay leaders are being ostracized from polite society.) On that last part, he's kind of correct. The zone of tolerance for acceptable viewpoints has narrowed very quickly.

Why has the structure of the gay rights debate shifted so quickly? The Week's Peter Weber has found six reasons. I have some guesses, a few obvious ones, and a few not-so-obvious, and I'm going to try to put them in order of importance.

First: Harvey Milk had it right. All politics is personal. Self-identified gays make up about 3 and a half percent of the population. That means that almost everyone with a social life in America knows someone who is gay. In fact, nearly 60 percent of Americans surveyed say that someone close to them is gay. (Sarah Palin's best friend is gay.) Of those who've changed their minds on the issue, the plurality say that they simply expanded their circle of empathy because their circle came include gay people.

But here's the important point: in order for this to happen, gay people had to take risks and come out. So: the pressure within the gay community to stigmatize "the closet," a pressure that can be pretty intense at times, has paid off........

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TOPICS: Government; Religion; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: barf; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; kenmehlman; logcabingop; obama; palin; proposition8; samesexmarriage; scotus; ssm; supremecourt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our Nation is bankrupt. By spirit, by culture, by soul. What comes next is a harbinger. Learn to pray; for honesty. Pray with all your heart. The rest will follow. may God bless us


21 posted on 03/26/2013 9:42:26 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why has the structure of the gay rights debate shifted so quickly?

There are several reasons. First, for the past 20 years or more, the media has engaged in a full court press trying to "normalize" gays in America.

Then, of course, comes Hollyweird with their "gay agenda" programs such as Glee which seems to add a new gay character about every other week and The New Normal. And, finally, not to be outdone, the NEA has utilized the public schools to indoctrinate our children that gay relationaships are totally "normal" and don't harm anyone. However, what they have carefully ignored is that the children adopted or raised in gay relationships lean more toward gay relationships themselves than heterosexual relationships. It's a little factoid that the left prefer you not know.

22 posted on 03/26/2013 9:44:11 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think there’s been all that much of a sea change among the public. Much of this “new support” is just kids going along with what’S popular as kids always do. Gays are among the most activist people out there...that’s the only reason we’Re seeing all this propaganda. I think gays know that their influence has peaked...if they don’T win this SC battle their power wanes permanently and gays go back to being thought of as deviants ...thus their desperation.


23 posted on 03/26/2013 9:46:33 PM PDT by what's up
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To: DustyMoment

Oh, and last, but not least, this whole issue is about ~3% - 4% of the population.

Squeaky wheel, meet the grease!!


24 posted on 03/26/2013 9:47:21 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s absurdly simple: without God, anything is permitted.


25 posted on 03/26/2013 9:49:54 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Cultural hegemony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony

Maybe someday conservatives will learn these was done by Will and Grace. Government only put the finishing touches on things.

26 posted on 03/26/2013 9:53:26 PM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

“There’s been a gay juggernaut since last summer.”

The gay juggernaut started in the Clinton years. The press once dubbed the decade “the gay nineties.’


27 posted on 03/26/2013 10:00:45 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We say no we don't want it, so courts decree it. We say no we don't want it, so TV and news constantly push for it. We say no we don't want it, so we vote against it, time after time, and courts continually say those votes don't matter. We say we don't want it, but they teach our kids that its bigoted not to allow it, and the kids eventually grow up. We say we don't want it, but then the country elects a homo to be president, and he says he wants it and that gets even more people on the bandwagon.

After a while, so many people throw their hands up and give in that this so-called tipping point is reached. Only those with strong will and an understanding of the moral basis for their beliefs do not bend to the unceasing drumbeat.

This is how they got the public to be against the war on Iraq, too, by the way. The people who control the levers of this society are quite powerful, and seem to be able to get their way no matter what we think.

28 posted on 03/26/2013 10:37:33 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Luke21
The gay juggernaut started in the Clinton years.

One of the leaders was a man who proclaimed himself better on the homosexual agenda than Ted Kennedy, his name was Mitt Romney, campaigning AGAINST Bill Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell", because it wasn't 'total equality'.

Mitt wanted a fully open society and military.

29 posted on 03/26/2013 10:58:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasnt for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: Defiant

Not sure about the President being gay, but other than that...well said!!


30 posted on 03/26/2013 11:11:23 PM PDT by 88keys ("This is no time to go wobbly"....)
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To: 88keys

Look into Larry Sinclair, the Chicago bathhouses, his poems from when he was in Hawaii with Frank Marshall Davis, his buddy Rahm Emanuel, that homo basketball player he takes with him everywhere, his Pakistani roommate, and then you be the judge. All I can prove with certainty is that he is a pussy and a metrosexual.


31 posted on 03/26/2013 11:15:16 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

What popped into my mind was Richard Burton's ( i.e. his character's ) comment in Night of the Iguana that we live our lives on two levels, the Real, and the Fantastic, and that trouble comes when we confuse the two.

It seems to me that gay marriage is in the realm of the fantastic, and that our society has entered that realm, while the everyday life of most people, or at least everyone that I'm aware of, is left behind in the reality of mothers and fathers and children and teachers and grandparents. It's like a Night Gallery episode.

32 posted on 03/26/2013 11:44:08 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: CT

“Mark Levin covered gay rights and the Constitution on his show today. He was brilliant, as always. ... I wish I had saved it, but I was driving.”

You can download it from marklevinshow.com

Mark Levin audio downloads
http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

Click on the show link with the date you want, right-click on “Right-click to download this show” and “Save Target As...” from the pop-up menu.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 11:56:05 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Prager’s excellent essay, “Judaism’s Sexual Revolution: Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality” is a must read. After reading it, I can say that America’s future is hanging on the edge of a cliff. It has been pushed there by the unrestrained polymorphous sexual drive of men who have cast off the traditional Judeo-Christian values that have set us apart in human history. For a good read as well as the discussion afterwards, go here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3001152/posts


34 posted on 03/27/2013 12:07:17 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: mylife
Any “Church” that does embrace the H-Mo counterfeit, is no church at all...at least, not a church that is inhabited by God.
35 posted on 03/27/2013 12:22:00 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: OKRA2012

Check out “The New Tolorance” by Josh McDowell


36 posted on 03/27/2013 12:26:20 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: SoConPubbie
Yesterday I got on the morning C-Span show and asked,

“If homosexual marriage is so accepted, if not popular as the polls tell us, where is the Constitutional amendment to make it legal? If its as favored as you guys would have us believe, a Constitutional amendment would sail through Congress and the States in no time.”

I got a lengthy non-response.

I also got cut off before I could ask if the 14th Amendment actually made the 19th Amendment unnecessary.

37 posted on 03/27/2013 3:16:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I remember reading an article about homosexuals in Time magazine back in the sixties. That might have been around the time of the Stonewall riots and the first big push for acceptance for homosexuals. I remember reading the comments of a few of the leaders of homosexual groups firmly stating that their goal was not only acceptance by society but complete equality with heterosexuals. Since then a lot of barriers have fallen.

Then you had the report in the early '70s of the psychiatrists saying homosexuality is not a mental disorder. Propagandists began spreading the lie that 10% of the population are homosexuals. Even the term homosexual was limited and most refer to themselves as "gay." And with Hollyweird making it seem that every family had a homosexual member, and that they were a persecuted minority, it was inevitable that we'd arrive at this moment.

38 posted on 03/27/2013 3:48:14 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: CharlesWayneCT

VA only passed its amendment by 57% in 2006. It would have passed by more if the wording wasn’t so strict, it seemed to bar any private contract between people like wills or medical directives, and the AG had to clarify what it actually meant. Plus Northern VA.

In my opinion, we have been conditioned to think marriage comes from the state, so many accept any impossibility as marriage as long as the state says so. To many they are simply contracts that can be broken and resumed between any parties the state decides. How does the state decide? It decides by whatever judges, pols, or the voting majority thinks of marriage at the time.

Freegards


39 posted on 03/27/2013 5:47:19 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s mainly propaganda.

But to whatever extent there has been any “tipping,” it’s primarily due to the unreliability of libertarians in the cause of saving the republic, because they give away its moral basis.


40 posted on 03/27/2013 5:54:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Legislate that down is up if you will, but take my advice, don't jump off cliffs anyway.)
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